Are high school championships out of reach without recruiting?

[Staff Admin]

In the modern era high school football, is it possible for a public high school to win state championships without recruiting players?  Some say yes, some say no.  It's almost impossible to be certain on either side of the argument.  Why?  Because recruiting is so hard to prove.  While many are convinced that recruiting is rampant among championship teams, others cling to the word "transfer."  

Whatever the case, it's evident that players moving from school to school greatly benefit the receiving football program.  

[GardenStateBaller]

Going forward it'll be extremely rare that a public program wins a Mythical National Championship ever again. Precedence has already been set with 1-2 loss privates with stronger Strength of Schedule numbers being named MNC over undefeated publics that played lesser schedules. 

Power publics need to accept this fact if they truly care about winning MNCs. 

[GardenStateBaller]

OH- must be D1

FL- must be either 7A/8A

TX- must be 6A

GA- must be 7A, especially with Buford there now

[Columbiafan]

8 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

OH- must be D1

FL- must be either 7A/8A

TX- must be 6A

GA- must be 7A, especially with Buford there now

Not necessarily

 

A team like Miami Central or AHP could have a shot at finishing number 1 in FL from 5a 

 

You also have teams like Cardinal Gibbons or chaminade who play tough schedules in 3a and 4a respectively

 

Chaminade would have been top 3 in FL if they were undefeated with last year schedule so it doesn't have to be 7a or 8a in FL

 

Just have to go undefeated while beating other ranked opponents

[GardenStateBaller]

Just now, Columbiafan said:

Not necessarily

 

A team like Miami Central or AHP could have a shot at finishing number 1 in FL from 5a 

 

You also have teams like Cardinal Gibbons or chaminade who play tough schedules in 3a and 4a respectively

 

Chaminade would have been top 3 in FL if they were undefeated with last year schedule so it doesn't have to be 7a or 8a in FL

 

Just have to go undefeated while beating other ranked opponents

The recent losses to SFA, SJB and BG have been considered major red flags to the pollsters. Unlike Cen10, who almost beat MD last season and is trending up big-time. 

[Columbiafan]

3 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

The recent losses to SFA, SJB and BG have been considered major red flags to the pollsters. Unlike Cen10, who almost beat MD last season and is trending up big-time. 

And yet in one season they could go undefeated and would be unanimous top 10 nationally

 

It's just how they work 

[GardenStateBaller]

Just now, Columbiafan said:

And yet in one season they could go undefeated and would be unanimous top 10 nationally

 

It's just how they work 

IMO they'd never leapfrog undefeated privates like MD, SFA, SFA, IMG, etc., who's SOS were much stronger. 

[Columbiafan]

1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said:

IMO they'd never leapfrog undefeated privates like MD, SFA, SFA, IMG, etc., who's SOS were much stronger. 

And just how many will all go undefeated in the same year?

 

And Miami Central SOS was probably better than IMG last year 

 

Who did IMG play that matches the two games of SJB and BG

[GardenStateBaller]

Just now, Columbiafan said:

And just how many will all go undefeated in the same year?

 

And Miami Central SOS was probably better than IMG last year 

 

Who did IMG play that matches the two games of SJB and BG

Just need one of them to. A few season ago MD won a MNC with two losses!!

[Columbiafan]

4 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Just need one of them to. A few season ago MD won a MNC with two losses!!

Was that unanimous?

[GardenStateBaller]

9 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

Was that unanimous?

Won the majority of polls, plus the composite. 

[JCGIII]

1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said:

OH- must be D1

FL- must be either 7A/8A

TX- must be 6A

GA- must be 7A, especially with Buford there now

Not necessarily.The Georgia old privates, Marist, Benedictine, Woodward, plus the city schools  have the opportunity and should join the new GIAA and let her rip. That would put a bee in the bonnet of the Hawg/Cartman and the rest of those South Georgia pussies.

Edited February 20, 2022 by JCGIII

[GardenStateBaller]

Just now, JCGIII said:

The Georgia old privates, Marist, Benedictine, Woodward, plus the city schools should join the new GIAA and let her rip. That would put a bee in the bonnet of the Hawgnet/Cartman Georgia pussies.

I agree. PGL has already offered our scheduling services to them if and when they form their own association. 

[JCGIII]

5 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

I agree. PGL has already offered our scheduling services to them if and when they form their own association. 

The GHSA declared war on private and the city school system public schools with the latest reclassification. No reason for Buford, Valdosta, Marietta, Carrollton, Thomasville, and a few others to put up with the heavy-handedness. 

[Testadura]

10 hours ago, Staff Admin said:

In the modern era high school football, is it possible for a public high school to win state championships without recruiting players?  Some say yes, some say no.  It's almost impossible to be certain on either side of the argument.  Why?  Because recruiting is so hard to prove.  While many are convinced that recruiting is rampant among championship teams, others cling to the word "transfer."  

Whatever the case, it's evident that players moving from school to school greatly benefit the receiving football program.  

No.  You need to go after players. 
 

Texas and Florida probably not as much because the talent seems to be in big backyards.  

[Hsfbfan]

14 hours ago, Staff Admin said:

In the modern era high school football, is it possible for a public high school to win state championships without recruiting players?  Some say yes, some say no.  It's almost impossible to be certain on either side of the argument.  Why?  Because recruiting is so hard to prove.  While many are convinced that recruiting is rampant among championship teams, others cling to the word "transfer."  

Whatever the case, it's evident that players moving from school to school greatly benefit the receiving football program.  

In NJ I guess you can

27 teams are considered state Champs 

[Bodysurf]

15 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Just need one of them to. A few season ago MD won a MNC with two losses!!

One loss on the field but we avenged that in the championship game. The other loss was a forfeit loss to Amat but we absolutely dominated them. We self reported, since we discovered after the fact, that we had a kid in for a few plays who due to a different school system in Australia was on paper in his 5th year even though he was just in his 4th year in a US high school.

[181pl]

California D1 open bowl; for sure. Florida is trending this way as well.

[SSG Blue]

Public schools that have corporate sponsors have unlimited financial resources.  They don’t need to recruit to win a National Championship just great coaching and playing #1 hardest schedules in America.  We have had two in my area do it 2007 Miami Northwestern’s Bulls & 2013 Booker T Washington Tornadoes both sponsored by Nike Corporation.  We currently have a third that may win National Championship this season 2022-23 Miami Central Rockets.  

[GardenStateBaller]

4 hours ago, SSG Blue said:

Public schools that have corporate sponsors have unlimited financial resources.  They don’t need to recruit to win a National Championship just great coaching and playing #1 hardest schedules in America.  We have had two in my area do it 2007 Miami Northwestern’s Bulls & 2013 Booker T Washington Tornadoes both sponsored by Nike Corporation.  We currently have a third that may win National Championship this season 2022-23 Miami Central Rockets.  

There's a large talent gap berween MC and the elite power privates as evidenced by the Rockets recent losses to SFA and SJB. 

[Texasball]

On 2/19/2022 at 9:41 PM, GardenStateBaller said:

Going forward it'll be extremely rare that a public program wins a Mythical National Championship ever again. Precedence has already been set with 1-2 loss privates with stronger Strength of Schedule numbers being named MNC over undefeated publics that played lesser schedules. 

Power publics need to accept this fact if they truly care about winning MNCs. 

The modern era of HS football 

hand full of teams that have taken recruiting to the next level.

these teams can win 100 straight fake titles and I will never be impressed with how they do it.

It’s not good for the spirit of the game or the future of the game.  Keep attention of the lack of HS participation happening in regions were private schools are stacking teams.

I just shack my head at you and wonder what you are really trying to prove???  
 

Are you in this business for the kids playing & fans or are you simply trying to prove that recruited up vomit 🤮 private schools play the best football.

 

 

 

 

[GardenStateBaller]

2 hours ago, Texasball said:

The modern era of HS football 

hand full of teams that have taken recruiting to the next level.

these teams can win 100 straight fake titles and I will never be impressed with how they do it.

It’s not good for the spirit of the game or the future of the game.  Keep attention of the lack of HS participation happening in regions were private schools are stacking teams.

I just shack my head at you and wonder what you are really trying to prove???  
 

Are you in this business for the kids playing & fans or are you simply trying to prove that recruited up vomit 🤮 private schools play the best football.

 

 

 

 

From Day One my goal has always been to grow the game we all love at the highest, most elite levels. #unapologetic 

[Horsefly]

1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said:

From Day One my goal has always been to grow the game we all love at the highest, most elite levels. #unapologetic 

Growing the game in what regard? 

[GardenStateBaller]

3 hours ago, Horsefly said:

Growing the game in what regard? 

Increased national exposure via high-profile OOS games. 

[CaliFB]

On 2/19/2022 at 7:36 PM, Staff Admin said:

In the modern era high school football, is it possible for a public high school to win state championships without recruiting players?  Some say yes, some say no.  It's almost impossible to be certain on either side of the argument.  Why?  Because recruiting is so hard to prove.  While many are convinced that recruiting is rampant among championship teams, others cling to the word "transfer."  

Whatever the case, it's evident that players moving from school to school greatly benefit the receiving football program.  

I think it is really hard for public schools to win titles at the upper levels in any state for a handful of reasons.