Sammy Swordsman Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Tier 1 - Mater Dei, SJB, Westlake, SFA, Servite, STA Tier 2 – Bergen Catholic, Cen10, Duncanville, North Shore, Jesuit, IMG, Miami Central, Bishop Gorman, Hamilton, Saguaro, Tier 3 - SLC, Venice, St. Ed, Chaminade Madonna, Collins Hill, Graham Kaposwsin, Center Grove Tier 4 - Buford, Lone Peak, Cathedral (San Diego), Warner Robbins, Atasocita, Cardinal Gibbons, Milton, Allen, North Cobb, Oakland, SJC, Dematha, OLGC, Mission Viejo, Katy, Guyer, College Station, Kahuku Tier 5 Walton, Sierra Canyon, Alemeny, Sierra Canyon, Aledo, Lowndes, South Oak Cliffe, OLU, Tier 6 – Los Al, Folsom, Jenks, St. X, DBP, Serra, American Fork, SJP, Hoover, St. Louis, East St. Louis (IL), Oscar Smith, DLS This does not attempt to place All teams. Unlisted Teams worthy of being in the Top 6 Tiers can be considered upon request. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Since71 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Put tier 1 in order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share Posted March 26, 2022 44 minutes ago, 1Since71 said: Put tier 1 in order The Tiers are more of a placement rather than a ranking. Teams on the same Tier should be able to play each other within 2 scores in a majority of match ups. We will have other ranking lists such as the No Nonsense poll (by Omaha Vol) and Whiteshoes poll. Attached is an end of year comp poll that is pretty good. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRUC7RkwXZXnSjqJ7AJysZEl5W-TtmiDBw3vY_56L5zp9slLQliF7P1l4Hmf0YaLJa5IkQezpnq39Rw/pubhtml 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Sammy Swordsman said: Tier 1 - Mater Dei, SJB, Westlake, SFA, Servite, STA Tier 2 – Bergen Catholic, Cen10, Duncanville, North Shore, Jesuit, IMG, Miami Central, Bishop Gorman, Hamilton, Saguaro, Tier 3 - SLC, Venice, St. Ed, Chaminade Madonna, Collins Hill, Graham Kaposwsin, Center Grove Tier 4 - Buford, Lone Peak, Cathedral (San Diego), Warner Robbins, Atasocita, Cardinal Gibbons, Milton, Allen, North Cobb, Oakland, SJC, Dematha, OLGC, Mission Viejo, Katy, Guyer, College Station, Kahuku Tier 5 Walton, Sierra Canyon, Alemeny, Sierra Canyon, Aledo, Lowndes, South Oak Cliffe, OLU, Tier 6 – Los Al, Folsom, Jenks, St. X, DBP, Serra, American Fork, SJP, Hoover, St. Louis, East St. Louis (IL), Oscar Smith, DLS This does not attempt to place All teams. Unlisted Teams worthy of being in the Top 6 Tiers can be considered upon request. MD in ‘tier 0’ by themselves. I agree with your teams in tier 1. But if a team has 3 wins against other teams in the tier, shouldn’t they be in a higher tier? Serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share Posted March 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bodysurf said: MD in ‘tier 0’ by themselves. I agree with your teams in tier 1. But if a team has 3 wins against other teams in the tier, shouldn’t they be in a higher tier? Serious question. If the 3 wins were all by Three plus scores, then we would have a case for a Tier 0. So far we have not gone to a Tier 0 so doing that would break precedent and require extreme beat downs of other Tier 1 teams. Some think SFA by the end of the season would have a legit chance of beating anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Sammy Swordsman said: If the 3 wins were all by Three plus scores, then we would have a case for a Tier 0. So far we have not gone to a Tier 0 so doing that would break precedent and require extreme beat downs of other Tier 1 teams. Some think SFA by the end of the season would have a legit chance of beating anyone. SFA was great no doubt. I just don’t think they had a passing game sophisticated enough to seriously threaten MD. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILKINSON Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Not the tiers 🤦♂️ I’m gonna come up with my own tiers next season lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share Posted March 26, 2022 40 minutes ago, WILKINSON said: Not the tiers 🤦♂️ I’m gonna come up with my own tiers next season lmao The Tiers are crowd sourced. You have input if you want to make a case for any changes or additions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Sammy Swordsman said: Tier 1 - Mater Dei, SJB, Westlake, SFA, Servite, STA Tier 2 – Bergen Catholic, Cen10, Duncanville, North Shore, Jesuit, IMG, Miami Central, Bishop Gorman, Hamilton, Saguaro, Tier 3 - SLC, Venice, St. Ed, Chaminade Madonna, Collins Hill, Graham Kaposwsin, Center Grove Tier 4 - Buford, Lone Peak, Cathedral (San Diego), Warner Robbins, Atasocita, Cardinal Gibbons, Milton, Allen, North Cobb, Oakland, SJC, Dematha, OLGC, Mission Viejo, Katy, Guyer, College Station, Kahuku Tier 5 Walton, Sierra Canyon, Alemeny, Sierra Canyon, Aledo, Lowndes, South Oak Cliffe, OLU, Tier 6 – Los Al, Folsom, Jenks, St. X, DBP, Serra, American Fork, SJP, Hoover, St. Louis, East St. Louis (IL), Oscar Smith, DLS This does not attempt to place All teams. Unlisted Teams worthy of being in the Top 6 Tiers can be considered upon request. Jesuit beat STA head to head and went undefeated I have a hard time buying Jesuit not being same tier with that in mind, either STA should be tier 2 or Jesuit should be tier 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 I also have a hard time seeing Venice not at least being ranked on par with the other top FL teams They were playing very much lights out down the stretch including smashing a very talented West Orange team 49-7, smashed the two year champs (2019 8a champs and 2020 tri county champs) in Columbus 35-7, and blasted a strong Apopka team 35-7 on route to a state title IMG in contrast faced one team even close to their level and got beat convincingly I wouldn't have hesitated to rank Venice over IMG but they belong same tier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Columbiafan said: Jesuit beat STA head to head and went undefeated I have a hard time buying Jesuit not being same tier with that in mind, either STA should be tier 2 or Jesuit should be tier 1 It’s a tough call if you are looking at things in a linear fashion. To STA credit they have the SFA win plus Cardinal Gibbons. Jesuit has only STA which was by all accounts a weird week considering the game was not on the schedule and put together that week. IMO it was a one off (close game) that STA normally would win. Beating STA is what gets Jesuit. To Tier 2. Otherwise they don’t have much of a resume 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Sammy Swordsman said: It’s a tough call if you are looking at things in a linear fashion. To STA credit they have the SFA win plus Cardinal Gibbons. Jesuit has only SFA which was by all accounts a weird week considering the game was. It on the schedule and put together that week. IMO it was a one off (close game) that STA normally would win. Beating STA is what gets Jesuit. To Tier 2. Otherwise they don’t have much of a resume Undefeated, smashed MNW in final 4 and won 6a is still a pretty good resume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Sammy Swordsman said: It’s a tough call if you are looking at things in a linear fashion. To STA credit they have the SFA win plus Cardinal Gibbons. Jesuit has only SFA which was by all accounts a weird week considering the game was. It on the schedule and put together that week. IMO it was a one off (close game) that STA normally would win. Beating STA is what gets Jesuit. To Tier 2. Otherwise they don’t have much of a resume That may be a fair point but I know when I rank that if a team won head to head and is undefeated that team will always be ranked higher in my rankings Head to head should always take precedent over SOS or strength of resume when said winner finishes undefeated Now if Jesuit lost in the season afterwards than by all means STA belongs higher because that head to head game holds less weight but that's just how I personally feel in that situation You have your own system and I think you have gotten better with the Florida teams and you usually do take my comments especially early in the season with the Florida teams into account so I usually think the tiers are overall in a good spot even if I have a different opinion on a few teams placement from time to time Overall good work on it though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 16 hours ago, Columbiafan said: I also have a hard time seeing Venice not at least being ranked on par with the other top FL teams They were playing very much lights out down the stretch including smashing a very talented West Orange team 49-7, smashed the two year champs (2019 8a champs and 2020 tri county champs) in Columbus 35-7, and blasted a strong Apopka team 35-7 on route to a state title IMG in contrast faced one team even close to their level and got beat convincingly I wouldn't have hesitated to rank Venice over IMG but they belong same tier Venice has a good run in the state playoffs. They are definitely in the conversation. Venice did lose to Cardinal Gibbons which lost to STA, and also lost to AHP. Even with that, Venice winning Fla does merit debate for being in Tier 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Cen10 deserved T1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 50 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Cen10 deserved T1. No marquee win. Unfortunately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Sammy Swordsman said: No marquee win. Unfortunately. Smh. They played MD tougher than Servite or SJB did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Smh. They played MD tougher than Servite or SJB did. Name (1) 4* player on their team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Smh. They played MD tougher than Servite or SJB did. No they didn’t. Servite led MD multiple times in a see saw battle including leading in the 4th qtr. Cen10 trailed the entire Game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sammy Swordsman said: Name (1) 4* player on their team Doesn’t matter. Their defense was outstanding and their secondary ELITE. GSB is 100% in that they played MD better than anybody. And as I mentioned several times, MD did not take them lightly. We fear Cen10 as much, if not more, than anybody. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sammy Swordsman said: Name (1) 4* player on their team DBP won 2 MNCs with mostly 2-3* ballers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: DBP won 2 MNCs with mostly 2-3* ballers. Yes but DBP had marquee wins too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 Cen10 is primed to be even better this year. They need a marquee win and will at least get a shot at both Jason and The Stache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 49 minutes ago, Sammy Swordsman said: Cen10 is primed to be even better this year. They need a marquee win and will at least get a shot at both Jason and The Stache Both coaches acknowledged this during our recent lunch in Cerritos. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 8:24 AM, GardenStateBaller said: Smh. They played MD tougher than Servite or SJB did. LOL. During your interview (even though you pressed him on Cen10 being best) Coach Rollo backed up Servite being tougher and said MD offense had an off night vs. Cen10. #vindicated #Cen10Tier2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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