#3 SJB 23 at Kahuku 30 Final

[Nolebull813]

2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

High national rankings. 

Wait a minute. If a few teams who have had their players poached from a rogue renegade Independent school don’t schedule them, they will be penalized regardless of the other top OOS teams they play? 

[GardenStateBaller]

27 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

Wait a minute. If a few teams who have had their players poached from a rogue renegade Independent school don’t schedule them, they will be penalized regardless of the other top OOS teams they play? 

No. It's very simple. A team can't expect be ranked high in a national poll if they do not play at least one nationally-relevant team. 

[GardenStateBaller]

36 minutes ago, pied said:

 

 

Define "ranked high" please.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The left column of our current Poll. 

 

[GardenStateBaller]

43 minutes ago, pied said:

 

 

• Duncanville
  • #6 USA Today
  • #4 Cal Preps
  • #5 Massey
  • #3 Blue Star 
  • #5 ESPN 
  • #5 SB Live
  • #14 The lol Poll

 

Do the same for NS and DS. Like I said no two polls will EVER be the same. Wise men walk when others run. 

[Steeler01]

6 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

3-1 Steele,TX vs 3-1 Birmingham,CA this weekend. Let’s see who goes 4-1

Birmingham is awful. They played one team with a pulse and lost 41-0. They have a schedule like Santaluces.

[GardenStateBaller]

2 hours ago, pied said:

 

I'm looking at the notable missing team from the left side of your plol

Gotta play a team with a pulse first! Excited for that DS game. 

[Texasball]

8 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

Not in any of our lifetimes is California better than Texas. 
 

Hell you don’t even know if Mater Dei or SJB would be better than a team from Houston or Dallas who stacked 30 transfers onto one team. Imagine if that happened. 
 

In a Cali vs Texas top 10, California would take the first 2 games, and this year who knows. SJB wouldn't guarantee beat Desoto. And after that Texas would take the next 8. It would be ugly. 
 

Saying Cali is better than TX because they have 2 teams who stack transfers by the dozens but ignore the other 50-100 teams from TX who would beat the 50-100 Cali teams is trolling at best, and brain dead at worst 

This SJB is not automatic win vs few Texas teams this year.  It obvious if you look at their games they are down this year!

You taking MC over CM this week?

[Bodysurf]

8 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

3-1 Steele,TX vs 3-1 Birmingham,CA this weekend. Let’s see who goes 4-1

Birmingham is a LA city team. Enough said. They will lose big.

[Steeler01]

56 minutes ago, Texasball said:

This SJB is not automatic win vs few Texas teams this year.  It obvious if you look at their games they are down this year!

They won't be as good next year,  hopefully NS or Atascocita will schedule them. 

[All Dei]

9 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

Hell you don’t even know if Mater Dei or SJB would be better than a team from Houston or Dallas who stacked 30 transfers onto one team. Imagine if that happened. 

And you don't know, either.  What we do know is that MD is 5-0 against three of the four most-recruited up teams in the nation and 7-3 since 2017 against the remaining one.  I think MD would do just fine against any TX super team.  The bottom line is any two super teams playing one another only have 11 guys on the field at one time.  Can't overstate the importance of coaching and execution, and MD and SJB have that over all other programs right now.

[Texasball]

18 hours ago, Steeler01 said:

They won't be as good next year,  hopefully NS or Atascocita will schedule them. 

Probably not going to happen.  

IMO it looks pretty obvious that all the best privates are down this year with the exception of probably MD.  Down doesn't mean these teams are not good.  They are still really good and should be they have attempted to recruit all-star team of players.  

Not sure how good Atascociata will be next year.  They losing lot of players.  

Next year NS will return good amount of players including the QB...It would be cool to see them play someone out of state next season.

 

[Texasball]

18 hours ago, All Dei said:

And you don't know, either.  What we do know is that MD is 5-0 against three of the four most-recruited up teams in the nation and 7-3 since 2017 against the remaining one.  I think MD would do just fine against any TX super team.  The bottom line is any two super teams playing one another only have 11 guys on the field at one time.  Can't overstate the importance of coaching and execution, and MD and SJB have that over all other programs right now.

honestly, its laughable to hear you act like it is coaching and execution.  It's 30 D1 players stacked on 1 team. Jesus dude that makes the coaching look so much better. 

Look at SJB - is it the players or the coaching holding them back this year?

MD and SJB were just another team that at best was on the level just below DLS only few season ago and DLS was steady getting that ass kicked OOS.  The only thing that has changed is the emphasis on recruiting more and better players!!!

 

[Texasball]

2 hours ago, pied said:

 

 

There are PLENTY of all star teams that just aren't great.  The most talented Lamar team ever was their '98 squad yet they under achieved and lost in the first round to Copperas Cove.  

You can see PLENTY of other times the coach wasn't able to get all the great players to become a great team.  I love to give Pep Guardiola crap for only coaching at Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Man City with the best players in the world, but the fact is there has been no other manager to have the same success with those types of teams.  

I agree, that they are able to use their advantage at recruiting/attracting a LOT of talented guys and that is certainly worth talking about.  I will say that the coaches have been able to coach those players and make very very good football teams from them and deserve credit for doing so imo.

I was around back in the day when Lamar was pretty good under Coach Peach.  Lamar was never all star team like what we are talking about today with these recruited up type

[All Dei]

2 hours ago, Texasball said:

honestly, its laughable to hear you act like it is coaching and execution.  It's 30 D1 players stacked on 1 team. Jesus dude that makes the coaching look so much better. 

Look at SJB - is it the players or the coaching holding them back this year?

MD and SJB were just another team that at best was on the level just below DLS only few season ago and DLS was steady getting that ass kicked OOS.  The only thing that has changed is the emphasis on recruiting more and better players!!!

 

What's laughable is you deflecting and completely ignoring the argument that MD is 5-0 against three of the other four equally talented teams, and 7-3 against the other one the past six seasons.  Yes, genius, coaching and execution really is the answer when you have that lopsided a record (12-3) when the playing field is level, and MD's past performance is a strong argument for them doing equally as well against a similar collection of talent from any state, even the bubble you live in (TX).

As for SJB, you know as well as I do that QB is the last place you want to have a talent deficit; its impact is exponentially bigger than any other position's.  Sanchez is the 127th best QB in his class.  127th!  Rosen was the #1 QB in his sr class.  DJ was #2.  Houser was #12.  Clarkson #23.  Hell, even Re-Al was the #29 dual threat.  Yes, Sanchez has had his moments, but kid never started before this season and relies on a young OL.  Not trying at all to pile on the kid, but no way SJB loses to Kahuku if ANY of their QBs of the last 10 yrs are under center.  Even stellar coaching like SJB's can only overcome so much when it comes to such a deficit at QB.

[GardenStateBaller]

4 minutes ago, All Dei said:

What's laughable is you deflecting and completely ignoring the argument that MD is 5-0 against three of the other four equally talented teams, and 7-3 against the other one the past six seasons.  Yes, genius, coaching and execution really is the answer when you have that lopsided a record (12-3) when the playing field is level, and MD's past performance is a strong argument for them doing equally as well against a similar collection of talent from any state, even the bubble you live in (TX).

As for SJB, you know as well as I do that QB is the last place you want to have a talent deficit; its impact is exponentially bigger than any other position's.  Sanchez is the 127th best QB in his class.  127th!  Rosen was the #1 QB in his sr class.  DJ was #2.  Houser was #12.  Clarkson #23.  Hell, even Re-Al was the #29 dual threat.  Yes, Sanchez has had his moments, but kid never started before this season and relies on a young OL.  Not trying at all to pile on the kid, but no way SJB loses to Kahuku if ANY of their QBs of the last 10 yrs are under center.  Even stellar coaching like SJB's can only overcome so much when it comes to such a deficit at QB.

Let's not forget that SJB had seven (7) defensive starters suspended for the first half of the KAH game. In the second half the Red Raiders were held to just 8 points vs the starters. 

[Texasball]

6 minutes ago, pied said:

 

 

No, you are correct, but two of the better players in school history were transfers.  Shawn Walters moved in from Oklahoma when a RB opening popped up and Joe Walker lived in Bowie's district.

That happens even today.  It’s nothing remotely like what is happening today at MD, SJB and few others.  
 

This year is proving that it’s not guaranteed that these teams SFA, SJB, STA, IMG can equally reload year after year.  Good yes dominating not so much!

keep in mind - SJB vs SFA was actually competitive and if you believe anything GSB says “SFA has ton of injuries” to boot.  Couldn’t even get win over ESL and you seen what Atascocita did there.

 

[GardenStateBaller]

2 minutes ago, Texasball said:

That happens even today.  It’s nothing remotely like what is happening today at MD, SJB and few others.  
 

This year is proving that it’s not guaranteed that these teams SFA, SJB, STA, IMG can equally reload year after year.  Good yes dominating not so much!

keep in mind - SJB vs SFA was actually competitive and if you believe anything GSB says “SFA has ton of injuries” to boot.  Couldn’t even get win over ESL and you seen what Atascocita did there.

 

A healthy SFA beat DS by 40. That'll never change.  

[Texasball]

7 minutes ago, All Dei said:

What's laughable is you deflecting and completely ignoring the argument that MD is 5-0 against three of the other four equally talented teams, and 7-3 against the other one the past six seasons.  Yes, genius, coaching and execution really is the answer when you have that lopsided a record (12-3) when the playing field is level, and MD's past performance is a strong argument for them doing equally as well against a similar collection of talent from any state, even the bubble you live in (TX).

As for SJB, you know as well as I do that QB is the last place you want to have a talent deficit; its impact is exponentially bigger than any other position's.  Sanchez is the 127th best QB in his class.  127th!  Rosen was the #1 QB in his sr class.  DJ was #2.  Houser was #12.  Clarkson #23.  Hell, even Re-Al was the #29 dual threat.  Yes, Sanchez has had his moments, but kid never started before this season and relies on a young OL.  Not trying at all to pile on the kid, but no way SJB loses to Kahuku if ANY of their QBs of the last 10 yrs are under center.  Even stellar coaching like SJB's can only overcome so much when it comes to such a deficit at QB.

Concerning SJB - this QB situation with young line is more proof that they are down this year.  Less quality players leads to less quality play this year and ultimately losing In Hawaii.  All that coaching is doing nothing to seriously coach this team up.

The same thing will eventually happen to MD when the recruiting doesn’t go as planned.  You know kinda like it was not too long ago!

PS - You guys cheated IMG that night!  
 

 

 

 

 

[Texasball]

11 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

A healthy SFA beat DS by 40. That'll never change.  

lol at you!

[Texasball]

16 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

A healthy SFA beat DS by 40. That'll never change.  

This ridiculous statement.

pretty much sums up all anyone needs to know about you.

[Texasball]

18 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

A healthy SFA beat DS by 40. That'll never change.  

I believe they would have taken that smoke this year.

 

[Texasball]

1 hour ago, All Dei said:

What's laughable is you deflecting and completely ignoring the argument that MD is 5-0 against three of the other four equally talented teams, and 7-3 against the other one the past six seasons.  Yes, genius, coaching and execution really is the answer when you have that lopsided a record (12-3) when the playing field is level, and MD's past performance is a strong argument for them doing equally as well against a similar collection of talent from any state, even the bubble you live in (TX).

As for SJB, you know as well as I do that QB is the last place you want to have a talent deficit; its impact is exponentially bigger than any other position's.  Sanchez is the 127th best QB in his class.  127th!  Rosen was the #1 QB in his sr class.  DJ was #2.  Houser was #12.  Clarkson #23.  Hell, even Re-Al was the #29 dual threat.  Yes, Sanchez has had his moments, but kid never started before this season and relies on a young OL.  Not trying at all to pile on the kid, but no way SJB loses to Kahuku if ANY of their QBs of the last 10 yrs are under center.  Even stellar coaching like SJB's can only overcome so much when it comes to such a deficit at QB.

What happened to the coaching from 2004-2015  MD record

2004 8-4

2005 9-4

2006 8-3

2007 9-2

2008 8-4

2009 6-5

2010 8-5

2011 4-6

2012 11-3

2013 12-3

2014 9-3 

2015 10-3  This is the year ET beat DLS - who won California.

Please enlighten us all how it was MD went from this with handfull of D1 kids each year to what is happening today.

Oh hell fire, I will answer for you.  MD started poaching players off of other teams from very large, populated region.  Then doubled down with transportation and free tuition to many of the players to entice them.

Without the recruiting and poaching players - This above is real MD!!!!

 

[GardenStateBaller]

1 hour ago, pied said:

 

 

#excusethread @Sammy Swordsman

#1-4abouttobe1-5

#onlywinisagainstat2-3team

#willprobablybeattheteamfromCTwhohasn'tplayedagameyet

#wheredidtheyfindtheseteamstheycanactuallybeat?

 

#toughestscheduleinthehistoryofhsfb

#neverlostby45,40,38,27points

[GardenStateBaller]

10 minutes ago, SeaShells21 said:

Compare DeSoto Tx to that of the actual dynasties of Texas such as Carroll and Katy; then get back to us.

47-7. 47 unanswered points. 

[GardenStateBaller]

14 minutes ago, SeaShells21 said:

How many state championships does DeSoto have?

How many shutouts does DeSoto have?

How many times have they been blown out in Texas?

How many times has DS let up 47 unanswered points in one game?