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1 hour ago, Nolebull813 said:

SJB, MD and BG are on another level as everyone else. 
 

SJB is the MNC 

Every data point out there points to this.  The close game between MC and AHP followed by the boatrace of Chaminade by The Bishop was the final coup d grace for any hopes of a Fla team with no OOS wins having any claim to the MNC.

Overall though Fla had by far the most top teams and as a whole was the best state in 2022.

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how is this even up for a debate? Florida fans have some coping to do. Texans are finally starting to get it- but they have a legit public/private excuse. 

Florida has the best football, but right now MD/SJB (and this year's Servite, BG) are the standard. and it's going to stay that way for the next couple years. 

i don't really think the question here should be "can they beat MC?" but more like, "can they running clock MC?".

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15 minutes ago, generic said:

how is this even up for a debate? Florida fans have some coping to do. Texans are finally starting to get it- but they have a legit public/private excuse. 

Florida has the best football, but right now MD/SJB (and this year's Servite, BG) are the standard. and it's going to stay that way for the next couple years. 

i don't really think the question here should be "can they beat MC?" but more like, "can they running clock MC?".

Texans are starting to get what? You guys act as if MD and SJB are mainstream and routine. They’re outliers meaning their model isn’t sustainable, they’re pilfering your top talent in your state.  It will crash down one day, then what? 

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19 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

Texans are starting to get what? You guys act as if MD and SJB are mainstream and routine. They’re outliers meaning their model isn’t sustainable, they’re pilfering your top talent in your state.  It will crash down one day, then what? 

MD/SJB = #1/#2. By definition, they are outliers and they do everything within CIF bylaws.

There's plenty of talent in CA, only a fraction go to those 2 schools. And I would love it if other schools were able to do what MD and Bosco do because cali football stinks and it's starting to get boring watch other state champs bomb against these two teams. All things come to an end, but not for the next few years.

idk wtf Block is

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22 minutes ago, generic said:

MD/SJB = #1/#2. By definition, they are outliers and they do everything within CIF bylaws.

There's plenty of talent in CA, only a fraction go to those 2 schools. And I would love it if other schools were able to do what MD and Bosco do because cali football stinks and it's starting to get boring watch other state champs bomb against these two teams. All things come to an end, but not for the next few years.

idk wtf Block is

That’s bot true that only a fraction go there, it’s a significant chunk especially compared to other power states. 
 

heres 2023/2024 #s of the 24/7 top 25 players in Cali and the number that attend MD/SJB

2022-they combined for a total of 7 in the top 25, 28%

2023

MD -1

SJB-3

tot - 4 or 16% of Cali top 25

2024

MD - 7

SJB -3

tot - 10 or 40% of Cali top 25. 
 

for comparison here are Duncanville/north shore in Texas.
 

2022: combined for 2 in the top 25, 8%

2023:

NS - 0

DV - 0

2024:

NS - 0

DV - 1

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oh yeah good point. forgot how loaded 2024 is. lol good luck suckas!!! 

so sounds like you've (Texan, I presume?) come to terms with MD/SJB = #1/#2, yes? no "play-Westlake/North Shore/Guyer-and-that'll-show-you"? that was the intent of that statement in the original post. Texans have generally gotten that. Floridians have not.

 

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1 hour ago, generic said:

oh yeah good point. forgot how loaded 2024 is. lol good luck suckas!!! 

so sounds like you've (Texan, I presume?) come to terms with MD/SJB = #1/#2, yes? no "play-Westlake/North Shore/Guyer-and-that'll-show-you"? that was the intent of that statement in the original post. Texans have generally gotten that. Floridians have not.

 

We frankly don’t care. Look, Texas has twice as many 4/5 stars than Cali. according to 24/7. We are fully aware of how rules allow for stacking teams., it’s not magical.  NV and Bishop gorman is even more drastic to the point it’s comical. It is what it is. 

you giggling like a fool is comical as well. You benefit monetarily from the successes of MD and SJB or are you just another troll?  Lol 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, generic said:

y'all don't care huh? i've seen thousands of posts that say otherwise. but glad to see that at least you accept the MD/SJB are the best in the whole wide world. 

Sure you have … lol

Some of you Cali fans are so desperate for attention they’re on the Texas board babbling about these schools.

the main topics being discussed on the Texas boards are the results of the SC. No one is talking up how we wish were we like MD or SJB. That never has been their sentiment, a lot of Texans despise private schools within our own state. (Mixing of sports leagues, playing each other etc) 
 

 

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Just now, generic said:

naw man. just having some fun with that good 'ol fashioned Texan pride.

You can’t brag about 2 all star teams stacking all the talent in a very talented area of the country, then beating every team they play in state and out. That doesn’t reflect the typical football being played in California. 
 

Check this out. A small Idaho team beat the tar out of a California State Finalist 

Reno High Nevada beat Grant California who won state 

Red Mountain Arizona beat Mater Dei Catholic who won state. 
 

Grant and MDC are more typical of high school football in Cali than SJB and MD are. They are the outlier 

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3 hours ago, Horsefly said:

They’re outliers meaning their model isn’t sustainable,

What’s your definition of sustainable? Negro has been there 10 years.MD machine started rolling 5-6 years ago.neither look like they are falling off anytime soon although we will see with the coaching change at MD

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Los Al finished 6th in Cali. Mater Dei finished 2nd. 
 

I don’t care what state you are. The 2nd best team shouldnt beat the 6th team 52-0. That’s not real football. 
 

That shows you that SJB and MD are not playing real HSFB. It’s in between HSFB and college. Lol

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17 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

You can’t brag about 2 all star teams stacking all the talent in a very talented area of the country, then beating every team they play in state and out. That doesn’t reflect the typical football being played in California. 
 

Check this out. A small Idaho team beat the tar out of a California State Finalist 

Reno High Nevada beat Grant California who won state 

Red Mountain Arizona beat Mater Dei Catholic who won state. 
 

Grant and MDC are more typical of high school football in Cali than SJB and MD are. They are the outlier 

very much the outlier. yet they've stayed within the rules. the model to win is there for many of those private schools to take.

but let's be honest- typical football in CA is garbage compared to a whole lot of other states. Grant and MDC are actually in the top few percent of teams in the state. 

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24 minutes ago, 1Since71 said:

What’s your definition of sustainable? Negro has been there 10 years.MD machine started rolling 5-6 years ago.neither look like they are falling off anytime soon although we will see with the coaching change at MD

Thats one of my points why it’s not, coaches and philosophies don’t stay the same forever. Also, they will only continue to attract talent based on  comparable competition they can play each year.  At some point teams will slow down on scheduling them, relying more on scheduling pimps like GSB to fill in the gaps. 
 

what I think is required to maintain these super teams is more involved than a few scattered here and there in a few states, they need their own national league, similar to the ncaa P5 schools. 

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