Sammy Swordsman Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Tier 1 - Mater Dei, SJB, Bishop Gorman, Miami Central, AHP Tier 2 – IMG**, SFA, Chaminade Madonna, Cen10, STA, Westlake (Tx), Northshore, East St. Louis Tier 3 - Buford, St. Ed, DeSoto, SJC, Cardinal Gibbons, SJP, Bergen Catholic, Duncanville, Guyer, Christian Bros (Mo) Tier 4 - Allen, Timpview, Skyridge, Grayson, MissionViejo, DeMatha, OLGC, Venice, MNW, North Cobb DBP, SLC Tier 5 - Lone Peak, Serra (SM), OLU, Santa Margarita, Lipscomb Academy, Poly, Colquitt, Lakeland, Los Al, Moeller Tier 6 - DLS, Lowndes, Folsom, Hoban, Lakota West, Corner Canyon, SJR, Center Grove, Cathedral (SD), Milton, Loyola (IL) Tier 1 Mendoza: SFA (54), Bishop Gorman (51), Mater Dei (40), DLS (38),AHP (28), Allen (22) Tier 6 Mendoza: Zachary (-35), DBP (-23), STA (-19), St. Ed (-14), Lowneds (-11), Dungeon Tier - Thompson (AL), St. X, Serra (Gardena), JSerra, Aledo New addition is the Dungeon Tier. Teams with the most precipitous year over year decline, from a National team to not being relevant, Choking in a key game, and/or falling significantly short of expectations. Also teams with hororendous schedules well below their pay grade may be included.r A new metric for Tier ranking will be the Mendoza Handicap. Modeled after baseball's Mendoza line, this handicap will represent a teams effort at scheduling relevant games. No team with a negative Mendoza handicap will be considered for Tier 1. * - Indicates teams on probation for their Tier. ** - Indicates Johnny Stanton rule in effect. (dropped due to uncertainty around injury to star player). *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a team’s entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a – 2 score drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Final Tiers will ultimately be made up of (4-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 IMG is much closer to the teams in tier 3 than tier 2 Also injury to one player shouldn't matter on a team with over 50 FBS players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sammy Swordsman said: Tier 1 - Mater Dei, SJB, Bishop Gorman, Miami Central, AHP Tier 2 – IMG**, SFA, Chaminade Madonna, Cen10, STA, Westlake (Tx), Northshore, East St. Louis Tier 3 - Buford, St. Ed, DeSoto, SJC, Cardinal Gibbons, SJP, Bergen Catholic, Duncanville, Guyer, Christian Bros (Mo) Tier 4 - Allen, Timpview, Skyridge, Grayson, MissionViejo, DeMatha, OLGC, Venice, MNW, North Cobb DBP, SLC Tier 5 - Lone Peak, Serra (SM), OLU, Santa Margarita, Lipscomb Academy, Poly, Colquitt, Lakeland, Los Al, Moeller Tier 6 - DLS, Lowndes, Folsom, Hoban, Lakota West, Corner Canyon, SJR, Center Grove, Cathedral (SD), Milton, Loyola (IL) Dungeon Tier - Thompson (AL), St. X, Serra (Gardena), JSerra, Aledo New addition is the Dungeon Tier. Teams with the most precipitous year over year decline, from a National team to not being relevant, Choking in a key game, and/or falling significantly short of expectations. Also teams with horrorendous schedules well below their pay grade may be included. * - Indicates teams on probation for their Tier. ** - Indicates Johnny Stanton rule in effect. (dropped due to uncertainty around injury to star player). *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a team’s entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a – 2 score drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Final Tiers will ultimately be made up of (4-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Love! Except for WL and NS. And DBP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: IMG is much closer to the teams in tier 3 than tier 2 Also injury to one player shouldn't matter on a team with over 50 FBS players It's the freaking QB! Think Tom Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said: It's the freaking QB! Think Tom Brady. They are supposed to have better resources, talent and facilities than ANYONE in the country They are supposed to have 3 blue chippers at every position, next man up We aren't talking about a team where the QB is the only blue chip player on the team, we talking about IMG who has blue chippers across the line, at RB at WR and all over the defense One player shouldn't change that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: It's the freaking QB! Think Tom Brady. Also the gap between Brady and his backup would be a significant drop What's their backup a 4* vs 5* ?? It's not that huge of a drop when you account for the rest of the talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Also it should be noted that the schedule drop off of IMG after the SFA and Central games are huge If they lose to SFA they likely won't have a top 50 win on their entire schedule, what exactly with their resume will justify IMG as being in either tier 1 or 2 in the country or top 10 in the polls? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) I like it. IMG, ESL, and Allen are too high. Edited August 28, 2022 by Bodysurf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Also it should be noted that the schedule drop off of IMG after the SFA and Central games are huge If they lose to SFA they likely won't have a top 50 win on their entire schedule, what exactly with their resume will justify IMG as being in either tier 1 or 2 in the country or top 10 in the polls? At least they have those two teams on its schedule. Not many can claim such. SOS means everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Loyola and Lakota West in the same tier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Bones said: Loyola and Lakota West in the same tier? Loyola just mauled X not Ed's! #babysteps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: At least they have those two teams on its schedule. Not many can claim such. SOS means everything. SOS does matter but you can't put yourself on the same tier by losing to the only 2 teams at that level and beating weaker competition to act like your equal You play that competition you gotta beat someone of that level to justify it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILKINSON Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Love! Except for WL and NS. And DBP. You’re way too biased when it comes to Texas, therefore, your input on TX teams should always be dismissed. With that being said, Allen should maybe moved down. I nominate Atascocita to Tier 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: SOS does matter but you can't put yourself on the same tier by losing to the only 2 teams at that level and beating weaker competition to act like your equal You play that competition you gotta beat someone of that level to justify it Let the season and process play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: Let the season and process play out. And if they beat SFA than I'll gladly admit to being wrong but I will go on the record now Of saying without beating SFA, IMG has no win on their schedule to justify top 2 tiers or top 10 in the country @Sammy Swordsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, WILKINSON said: You’re way too biased when it comes to Texas, therefore, your input on TX teams should always be dismissed. With that being said, Allen should maybe moved down. I nominate Atascocita to Tier 4. WL and NS beat two nobodies. Let's see how Cita does vs Liberty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 SFA is a must win for IMG right now, it may be one of their most important games in the last few years because without it their resume for this year is not one that belongs among the top tier of teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Loyola just mauled X not Ed's! #babysteps There is to be a lot of movement expected in the tiers especially early in the season, right? So, it looked to my untrained eye that Lakota West and X should be in the same tier. Although I am not familiar with Lakota East, maybe thrashing them is an eye opener that erases the come from behind win over X. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILKINSON Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: WL and NS beat two nobodies. Let's see how Cita does vs Liberty. Liberty lost to Lone Peak who lost to Timpview. Liberty has got a good game against Pittsburg (CA) coming up. Atascocita’s game vs North Shore will be more telling than the Liberty (NV) game. The best is yet to come. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, WILKINSON said: Liberty lost to Lone Peak who lost to Timpview. Liberty has got a good game against Pittsburg (CA) coming up. Atascocita’s game vs North Shore will be more telling than the Liberty (NV) game. The best is yet to come. The Liberty/Pitt game will be streamed on Flo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, Bodysurf said: I like it. IMG, ESL, and Allen are too high. Since ESL played SFA within 1 score, those teams should be (without any other compelling data at this point) on the same Tier. Can't move ESL down without dragging SFA with them. IMG still almost won that game late into the 4th qtr when the 2nd string QB threw a pick. Allen gets the benefit of the doubt for now. SJB is so good that it skews the data points. My same argument for ranking lower Trinity league teams (that got squashed by MD/SJB), ahead of undefeated teams who played patsies. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bones said: There is to be a lot of movement expected in the tiers especially early in the season, right? So, it looked to my untrained eye that Lakota West and X should be in the same tier. Although I am not familiar with Lakota East, maybe thrashing them is an eye opener that erases the come from behind win over X. Yes the Tiers will be very fluid early on. (First game jitters?) Lakota west won the 2nd half 16-0 vs St. X. Loyola is definitely on the radar. They can make their move against Brother Rice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DillardHighBoyz954 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sammy Swordsman said: Tier 1 - Mater Dei, SJB, Bishop Gorman, Miami Central, AHP Tier 2 – IMG**, SFA, Chaminade Madonna, Cen10, STA, Westlake (Tx), Northshore, East St. Louis Tier 3 - Buford, St. Ed, DeSoto, SJC, Cardinal Gibbons, SJP, Bergen Catholic, Duncanville, Guyer, Christian Bros (Mo) Tier 4 - Allen, Timpview, Skyridge, Grayson, MissionViejo, DeMatha, OLGC, Venice, MNW, North Cobb DBP, SLC Tier 5 - Lone Peak, Serra (SM), OLU, Santa Margarita, Lipscomb Academy, Poly, Colquitt, Lakeland, Los Al, Moeller Tier 6 - DLS, Lowndes, Folsom, Hoban, Lakota West, Corner Canyon, SJR, Center Grove, Cathedral (SD), Milton, Loyola (IL) Tier 1 Mendoza: SFA (54), Bishop Gorman (51), Mater Dei (40), DLS (38),AHP (28), Allen (22) Tier 6 Mendoza: Zachary (-35), DBP (-23), STA (-19), St. Ed (-14), Lowneds (-11), Dungeon Tier - Thompson (AL), St. X, Serra (Gardena), JSerra, Aledo New addition is the Dungeon Tier. Teams with the most precipitous year over year decline, from a National team to not being relevant, Choking in a key game, and/or falling significantly short of expectations. Also teams with hororendous schedules well below their pay grade may be included.r A new metric for Tier ranking will be the Mendoza Handicap. Modeled after baseball's Mendoza line, this handicap will represent a teams effort at scheduling relevant games. No team with a negative Mendoza handicap will be considered for Tier 1. * - Indicates teams on probation for their Tier. ** - Indicates Johnny Stanton rule in effect. (dropped due to uncertainty around injury to star player). *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a team’s entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a – 2 score drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Final Tiers will ultimately be made up of (4-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Solid list, but in my opinion if Venice and cardinal gibbons made this list then Dillard high school should have made the top tier 4 list. granted I get it cardinal gibbons is a defending champion & Venice was a champion last year. But both teams lost a lot to graduation & as for cardinal gibbons they lost a few pieces in transfers as well. cardinal gibbons lost in a scrimmage to a below Avg Blanche ely team, scoring only 7 points. they scored 0 points in a kick off classic matchup Vs chaminade Madonna. & they scored 11 points in a 11-6 win vs a dematha team that’s a shell of the dominant force they use to be. as for Venice. They were ran out of their stadium by img two weeks ago. Then they were pretty much being ran out of their stadium this past Friday by MNW before making things interesting late but ultimately coming up short. Dillard on the other is 28-2 over the last 3 years. (36-4) over the last 4 years, Haven’t lost a regular season home game since October 30th 2017 (18-0) at home. went toe to toe with STA AQUINAS @ AQUINAS last year & should have won but fell short (23-13), they were in the broward county vs USA showcase & won their matchup (35-0) over maryland #5 ranked team in Rock Creek Christian Academy. & was The Only team in the showcase to shutout their opponent. Edited August 28, 2022 by DillardHighBoyz954 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DillardHighBoyz954 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 But with the schedule we have coming up @ chaminade Madonna next Friday @miami central sep 23rd home vs STA aquinas Oct 17 dillard can prove a lot in the next few weeks. One game at a time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Swordsman Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, DillardHighBoyz954 said: But with the schedule we have coming up @ chaminade Madonna next Friday @miami central sep 23rd home vs STA aquinas Oct 17 dillard can prove a lot in the next few weeks. One game at a time. That is a great schedule! One of the toughest around. I’ll have to do a Mendoza rating on it. Even a loss with a good showing against those teams will build a solid case for a good Tier placement! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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