The Tiers

[Sammy Swordsman]

Only teams who have played a game can be listed.

Tiers 4-6 to be released on Sunday 8/21

Tier 1-3 to be released on Sunday 8/28

Tier 1 -   

Tier 2 –     

Tier 3  -    

Tier 4 -  Mission Viejo, Timpview (UT), Lipscomb Academy,

Tier 5 - St. Ed,  Center Grove, Colquitt, Lone Peak, Grayson,  Santa Margarita, North Cobb, Lee County

Tier 6 -    Folsom**, Hoban, Lakota West, JSerra, Poly, Pick Central, Mililani, OLU, Serra (gardena), Marietta,

Dungeon Tier - Servite, Thompson, Hoover, Milton, Deerfield Beach, Lowndes, Alemeny

New addition is the Dungeon Tier.  Teams with the most precipitous year over year decline, from a National team to not being relevant, Choking in a key game, and/or falling significantly short of expectations.  Also teams with horrorendous schedules well below their pay grade may be included.

* - Indicates teams on probation for their Tier.

** - Indicates Johnny Stanton rule in effect. (dropped due to uncertainty around injury to star player).

*Requests to add your team will be honored.  But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier.

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

*Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season.  Teams can improve and regress comparatively.

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

*Tier placements consider a team’s entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

*Basically there is a – 2 score drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

*The Final Tiers will ultimately be made up of (4-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets.

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

[Extremely Humble]

Who will be your top ranked team for NorCal?

[Sammy Swordsman]

5 minutes ago, Extremely Humble said:

Who will be your top ranked team for NorCal?

Dunno yet, but heard Folsom #1 player broke his leg.  This could prompt the Johnny Stanton rule.

[Extremely Humble]

9 minutes ago, Sammy Swordsman said:

Dunno yet, but heard Folsom #1 player broke his leg.  This could prompt the Johnny Stanton rule.

#2 player, but yes, sad times. Something to note, their backup TE is legit too so the season can still be saved.

[Sammy Swordsman]

14 minutes ago, Extremely Humble said:

#2 player, but yes, sad times. Something to note, their backup TE is legit too so the season can still be saved.

If the Bulldogs can win next week, that would be impressive.  I'm pulling for them to overcome adversity and beat Serra.  

[Testadura]

11 hours ago, Sammy Swordsman said:

Tiers 4-6 to be released on Sunday 8/21

Tier 1-3 to be released on Sunday 8/28

Tier 1 -   

Tier 2 –     

Tier 3  -    

Tier 4 -    

Tier 5     

Tier 6 -   

* - Indicates teams on probation for their Tier.

** - Indicates Johnny Stanton rule in effect

*Requests to add your team will be honored.  But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier.

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

*Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season.  Teams can improve and regress comparatively.

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

*Tier placements consider a team’s entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

*Basically there is a – 2 score drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

*The Final Tiers will ultimately be made up of (4-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets.

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

You should add a dungeon tier.  

[Testadura]

44 minutes ago, Testadura said:

You should add a dungeon tier.  

I wouldn’t be offended if you put BC, Joes, PC, and SPP there for starters.  

[Sammy Swordsman]

5 minutes ago, Testadura said:

I wouldn’t be offended if you put BC, Joes, PC, and SPP there for starters.  

Intriguing.   Let them battle to see who can get out and who remains relegated.  
 

it would be a compelling add and prompt much debate.  It’s doable 

[Sammy Swordsman]

54 minutes ago, Testadura said:

You should add a dungeon tier.  

Added.   See OP.  The Tiers are a crowd sourced product.

[Sammy Swordsman]

Should Trinity League teams be exempt from the Dungeon Tier due to the ferocity of their league slate?

[Testadura]

Just now, Sammy Swordsman said:

Intriguing.   Let them battle to see who can get out and who remains relegated.  

Bosco will relegate them, don’t you worry. 
 

30 transfers.  My ass.  There’s prima facie illegality right there.  The tuition has to be about $14k.  
 

 

[Testadura]

1 minute ago, Sammy Swordsman said:

Should Trinity League teams be exempt from the Dungeon Tier due to the ferocity of their league slate?

Yes.  It should apply in the main to fake NJ schools who have kids who play like girls and opted not to go to Bosco.  

[Testadura]

5 minutes ago, Sammy Swordsman said:

Added.   See OP.  The Tiers are a crowd sourced product.

Maybe put Thompson there for a week or so to get the point across.  

[Sammy Swordsman]

16 hours ago, Extremely Humble said:

Who will be your top ranked team for NorCal?

Probably Folsom or DLS.   

[Old_e]

If you're starting from the bottom tiers, you should put Servite there until they prove themselves.  Wow, talk about dropping from a mountain. 

[Sammy Swordsman]

9 minutes ago, Old_e said:

If you're starting from the bottom tiers, you should put Servite there until they prove themselves.  Wow, talk about dropping from a mountain. 

Servite had the double whammy of graduting 19 starters, and then seeing 6+ Top underclassmen transfer out, including their QB heir apparant who followed his QB coach to St. Paul.  Servite is finished for the year and will be giving freshmen quality playing time. 

Both the Freshman 40-0  and JV 32? -0 won this week, so Servite is treating 2022 as a rebuild year.  No pressure, just get quality reps in for the underclassmen.  The Senior class is depleted.

[Bodysurf]

15 hours ago, Sammy Griffen said:

Servite had the double whammy of graduting 19 starters, and then seeing 6+ Top underclassmen transfer out, including their QB heir apparant who followed his QB coach to St. Paul.  Servite is finished for the year and will be giving freshmen quality playing time. 

Both the Freshman 40-0  and JV 32? -0 won this week, so Servite is treating 2022 as a rebuild year.  No pressure, just get quality reps in for the underclassmen.  The Senior class is depleted.

Talk about excuse thread material! 

[Sammy Swordsman]

15 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

Talk about excuse thread material! 

OK you got me.   I reposted to the Excuse Thread.

[Sammy Swordsman]

Tiers 4-6 have been posted.

Remember that ONLY teams who have played a game will be listed.

If you have a request to have a team considered for The Tiers, please name the team.

The Tiers are crowd sourced which means additional input from the board is expected and appreciated.  Adjustments can be made on the fly based on additional data points provided by those closer to the different geographical areas.  Access to  Local rankings from your areas would enhance the product.

[Omaha Vol]

3 hours ago, Sammy Griffen said:

Tiers 4-6 have been posted.

Where?

[GardenStateBaller]

18 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said:

Where?

top of this thread

[Omaha Vol]

   I think the jury is still out on Lipscomb. Milton was a decent win, but isn’t Milton supposed to be a little more down this year than they have in recent years? 
   Thompson getting blown out the way they did surprised me. I expected them to put up a better fight. They were sloppy with all those turnovers. They better correct that shit by next week. Lipscomb has a really good defense. 
    Hoover losing to Auburn is not THAT huge of an upset. Auburn has made decent runs in their playoffs the last few years. They should’ve beaten Thompson two years ago in the title game. 
   St. Ed is better than tier 5. First game against a decent Toledo CC team isn’t easy. They would beat them a lot worse with a couple games under their belts. I was impressed with Moeller lighting up Washington. Looking forward to their game with DBP. 
    Where would you put Skyridge(UT)? With Lone Peak getting taken out behind the woodshed by Timpview and Corner Canyon getting thumped by BG, Skyridge looks to be the best in Utah. 
 

[GardenStateBaller]

1 hour ago, Omaha Vol said:

   I think the jury is still out on Lipscomb. Milton was a decent win, but isn’t Milton supposed to be a little more down this year than they have in recent years? 
   Thompson getting blown out the way they did surprised me. I expected them to put up a better fight. They were sloppy with all those turnovers. They better correct that shit by next week. Lipscomb has a really good defense. 
    Hoover losing to Auburn is not THAT huge of an upset. Auburn has made decent runs in their playoffs the last few years. They should’ve beaten Thompson two years ago in the title game. 
   St. Ed is better than tier 5. First game against a decent Toledo CC team isn’t easy. They would beat them a lot worse with a couple games under their belts. I was impressed with Moeller lighting up Washington. Looking forward to their game with DBP. 
    Where would you put Skyridge(UT)? With Lone Peak getting taken out behind the woodshed by Timpview and Corner Canyon getting thumped by BG, Skyridge looks to be the best in Utah. 
 

Lipscomb played like shit at times, especially on special teams. They're so much better than what they showed. Milton is still a vgood team.

AL has now been proven to be what many of us already knew is was. A top 10-15 HSFB state at best. 

As the top team in OH, no way that ED should've struggled mightily vs TCC. They need to show well this week vs PCC.

??? Moe doesn't play DBP this season. 

[Sammy Swordsman]

39 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said:

   I think the jury is still out on Lipscomb. Milton was a decent win, but isn’t Milton supposed to be a little more down this year than they have in recent years? 
   Thompson getting blown out the way they did surprised me. I expected them to put up a better fight. They were sloppy with all those turnovers. They better correct that shit by next week. Lipscomb has a really good defense. 
    Hoover losing to Auburn is not THAT huge of an upset. Auburn has made decent runs in their playoffs the last few years. They should’ve beaten Thompson two years ago in the title game. 
   St. Ed is better than tier 5. First game against a decent Toledo CC team isn’t easy. They would beat them a lot worse with a couple games under their belts. I was impressed with Moeller lighting up Washington. Looking forward to their game with DBP. 
    Where would you put Skyridge(UT)? With Lone Peak getting taken out behind the woodshed by Timpview and Corner Canyon getting thumped by BG, Skyridge looks to be the best in Utah. 
 

Timpview is in Tier 4 and most likely Skyridge will be placed in Tier 3 next week.

[Professor Fate]

On 8/20/2022 at 6:16 PM, Sammy Griffen said:

Servite had the double whammy of graduting 19 starters, and then seeing 6+ Top underclassmen transfer out, including their QB heir apparant who followed his QB coach to St. Paul.  Servite is finished for the year and will be giving freshmen quality playing time. 

Both the Freshman 40-0  and JV 32? -0 won this week, so Servite is treating 2022 as a rebuild year.  No pressure, just get quality reps in for the underclassmen.  The Senior class is depleted.