The No Nonsense Top 100

[Omaha Vol]

I apologize for missing last week. We've been severely understaffed at work  and I had to work doubles all week(at least, the paycheck will be nice). Anyway, without further ado:

1. Santa Ana,CA Mater Dei(1)

2. Las Vegas,NV Gorman(3)

3. Bellflower,CA St. John Bosco(2)

4. Houston,TX N. Shore(4)

5. Baltimore,MD St. Frances(5)

6. Ft. Lauderdale,FL Aquinas(6)

7. Miami,FL Central(7)

8. Bradenton,FL IMG(8)

9. Hollywood,FL Chaminade-Madonna(9)

10. Buford,GA(11)

11. Chandler,AZ(10)

12. Corona,CA Centennial(12)

13. Plantation,FL American Heritage(13)

14. Austin,TX Westlake(14)

15. Denton,TX Guyer(16)

16. Duncanville,TX(17)

17. Philadelphia,PA St. Joseph's(18)

18. Nashville,TN Lipscomb(20)

19. Kahuku,HI(24)

20. Bixby,OK(25)

21. Norman Park,GA Colquitt Co.(29)

22. Lakewood,OH St. Edward(39)

23. Cincinnati,OH Moeller(15)

24. Fairburn,GA Hughes(22)

25. Akron,OH Hoban(23)

26. Long Beach,CA Poly(26)

27. Katy,TX(27)

28. Allen,TX(28)

29. Ft. Lauderdale,FL Gibbons(30)

30. Hyattsville,MD DeMatha(31)

31. New Orleans,LA Karr(32)

32. Hoschton,GA Mill Creek(21)

33. Wilmette,IL Loyola(33)

34. Southlake,TX Carroll(19)

35. Humble,TX Atascocita(34)

36. Mission Viejo,CA(35)

37. Peoria,AZ Liberty(54)

38. Olney,MD Good Counsel(48)

39. E. St. Louis,IL(37)

40. Massillon,OH Washington(38)

41. San Mateo,CA Serra(40)

42. Tulsa,OK Union(42)

43. Ellenwood,GA Cedar Grove(43)

44. DeSoto,TX(44)

45. Miami,FL Columbus(45)

46. Lakeland,FL(46)

47. W. Chester,OH Lakota West(47)

48. Washington,DC St. John's(49)

50. Chicago,IL Mt. Carmel(52)

51. Chandler,AZ Basha(41)

52. Ramsey,NJ Don Bosco(51)

53. Los Alamitos,CA(55)

54. Oradell,NJ Bergen Cath.(53)

55. Greenwood Village,CO Cherry Creek(56)

56. W. Roxbury,MA Cath. Mem.(59)

57. Cincinnati,OH Elder(60)

58. Lehi,UT(91)

59. Nashville,TN Montgomery Bell(61)

60. Folsom,CA(62)

61. Miami,FL N'western(57)

62. Orlando,FL Jones(NR)

63. Draper,UT Corner Canyon(63)

64. Baton Rouge,LA Catholic(64)

65. Venice,FL(67)

66. W. Hills,CA Chaminade(68)

67. Sanford,FL Seminole(69)

68. Fishers,IN Hamilton SE(NR)

69. Brownsburg,IN(36)

70. Bryant,AR(71)

71. Arlington,TX Martin(72)

72. Lehi,UT Skyridge(73)

73. Mililani,HI(75)

74. Tampa,FL TB Tech(77)

75. Scottsdale,AZ Saguaro(78)

76. Alabaster,AL Thompson(80)

77. Kennesaw,GA N. Cobb(NR)

78. Chandler,AZ Hamilton(81)

79. Irmo,SC Dutch Fork(82)

80. Houston,TX Westfield(84)

81. Highland Springs,VA(86)

82. Provo,UT Timpview(58)

83. Springfield,MA Central(87)

84. Phenix City,AL Central(NR)

85. Malvern,PA Prep(88)

86. Honolulu,HI Punahou(89)

87. Frankfort,IL Lincoln-Way East(90)

88. St. Louis,MO Chr. Bros.(92)

89. Huntington Beach,CA Edison(85)

90. Cornelius,NC Hough(83)

91. Charlotte,NC Chambers(93)

92. Kissimmee,FL Osceola(70)

93. Ft. Lauderdale,FL Dillard(94)

94. Severn,MD Spalding(96)

95. Longview,TX(97)

96. Roebuck,SC Dorman(NR)

97. Prosper,TX(98)

98. Auburn,AL(95)

99. Hoover,AL(99)

100. Indianapolis,IN Cathedral(NR)

Just missed:

Rockwall,TX

Valdosta,GA

S. Jordan,UT Bingham

Orange,CA Lutheran

Louisville,KY St. Xavier

Cibolo,TX Steele

Rancho Santa Margarita,CA Santa Margarita

Stockton,CA St. Mary's

Toledo,OH Cent. Cath.

Hesperia,CA Oak Hills

Milton,GA

Leesburg,GA Lee Co.

Sammamish,WA E'side Cath.

Liberty,MO North

Marietta,GA Walton

Loganville,GA Grayson

Inglewood,CA

Greenwood,IN Center Grove

Indianapolis,IN Roncalli

Florence,SC S. Florence

[GardenStateBaller]

[GardenStateBaller]

@Omaha Vol #21

[Columbiafan]

On 10/17/2022 at 4:57 PM, Omaha Vol said:

I apologize for missing last week. We've been severely understaffed at work  and I had to work doubles all week(at least, the paycheck will be nice). Anyway, without further ado:

1. Santa Ana,CA Mater Dei(1)

2. Las Vegas,NV Gorman(3)

3. Bellflower,CA St. John Bosco(2)

4. Houston,TX N. Shore(4)

5. Baltimore,MD St. Frances(5)

6. Ft. Lauderdale,FL Aquinas(6)

7. Miami,FL Central(7)

8. Bradenton,FL IMG(8)

9. Hollywood,FL Chaminade-Madonna(9)

10. Buford,GA(11)

11. Chandler,AZ(10)

12. Corona,CA Centennial(12)

13. Plantation,FL American Heritage(13)

14. Austin,TX Westlake(14)

15. Denton,TX Guyer(16)

16. Duncanville,TX(17)

17. Philadelphia,PA St. Joseph's(18)

18. Nashville,TN Lipscomb(20)

19. Kahuku,HI(24)

20. Bixby,OK(25)

21. Norman Park,GA Colquitt Co.(29)

22. Lakewood,OH St. Edward(39)

23. Cincinnati,OH Moeller(15)

24. Fairburn,GA Hughes(22)

25. Akron,OH Hoban(23)

26. Long Beach,CA Poly(26)

27. Katy,TX(27)

28. Allen,TX(28)

29. Ft. Lauderdale,FL Gibbons(30)

30. Hyattsville,MD DeMatha(31)

31. New Orleans,LA Karr(32)

32. Hoschton,GA Mill Creek(21)

33. Wilmette,IL Loyola(33)

34. Southlake,TX Carroll(19)

35. Humble,TX Atascocita(34)

36. Mission Viejo,CA(35)

37. Peoria,AZ Liberty(54)

38. Olney,MD Good Counsel(48)

39. E. St. Louis,IL(37)

40. Massillon,OH Washington(38)

41. San Mateo,CA Serra(40)

42. Tulsa,OK Union(42)

43. Ellenwood,GA Cedar Grove(43)

44. DeSoto,TX(44)

45. Miami,FL Columbus(45)

46. Lakeland,FL(46)

47. W. Chester,OH Lakota West(47)

48. Washington,DC St. John's(49)

50. Chicago,IL Mt. Carmel(52)

51. Chandler,AZ Basha(41)

52. Ramsey,NJ Don Bosco(51)

53. Los Alamitos,CA(55)

54. Oradell,NJ Bergen Cath.(53)

55. Greenwood Village,CO Cherry Creek(56)

56. W. Roxbury,MA Cath. Mem.(59)

57. Cincinnati,OH Elder(60)

58. Lehi,UT(91)

59. Nashville,TN Montgomery Bell(61)

60. Folsom,CA(62)

61. Miami,FL N'western(57)

62. Orlando,FL Jones(NR)

63. Draper,UT Corner Canyon(63)

64. Baton Rouge,LA Catholic(64)

65. Venice,FL(67)

66. W. Hills,CA Chaminade(68)

67. Sanford,FL Seminole(69)

68. Fishers,IN Hamilton SE(NR)

69. Brownsburg,IN(36)

70. Bryant,AR(71)

71. Arlington,TX Martin(72)

72. Lehi,UT Skyridge(73)

73. Mililani,HI(75)

74. Tampa,FL TB Tech(77)

75. Scottsdale,AZ Saguaro(78)

76. Alabaster,AL Thompson(80)

77. Kennesaw,GA N. Cobb(NR)

78. Chandler,AZ Hamilton(81)

79. Irmo,SC Dutch Fork(82)

80. Houston,TX Westfield(84)

81. Highland Springs,VA(86)

82. Provo,UT Timpview(58)

83. Springfield,MA Central(87)

84. Phenix City,AL Central(NR)

85. Malvern,PA Prep(88)

86. Honolulu,HI Punahou(89)

87. Frankfort,IL Lincoln-Way East(90)

88. St. Louis,MO Chr. Bros.(92)

89. Huntington Beach,CA Edison(85)

90. Cornelius,NC Hough(83)

91. Charlotte,NC Chambers(93)

92. Kissimmee,FL Osceola(70)

93. Ft. Lauderdale,FL Dillard(94)

94. Severn,MD Spalding(96)

95. Longview,TX(97)

96. Roebuck,SC Dorman(NR)

97. Prosper,TX(98)

98. Auburn,AL(95)

99. Hoover,AL(99)

100. Indianapolis,IN Cathedral(NR)

Just missed:

Rockwall,TX

Valdosta,GA

S. Jordan,UT Bingham

Orange,CA Lutheran

Louisville,KY St. Xavier

Cibolo,TX Steele

Rancho Santa Margarita,CA Santa Margarita

Stockton,CA St. Mary's

Toledo,OH Cent. Cath.

Hesperia,CA Oak Hills

Milton,GA

Leesburg,GA Lee Co.

Sammamish,WA E'side Cath.

Liberty,MO North

Marietta,GA Walton

Loganville,GA Grayson

Inglewood,CA

Greenwood,IN Center Grove

Indianapolis,IN Roncalli

Florence,SC S. Florence

Honestly Chaminade belongs over IMG, Chaminade is undefeated unlike IMG despite a HIGHER SOS and probably at least 4 wins that are better than IMG best win 

[Columbiafan]

I would even consider AHP over IMG at this point

[Omaha Vol]

9 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

@Omaha Vol #21

I know. I accidentally left them out of my poll. They should be in the 38-50 range. 

[GardenStateBaller]

5 hours ago, Columbiafan said:

Honestly Chaminade belongs over IMG, Chaminade is undefeated unlike IMG despite a HIGHER SOS and probably at least 4 wins that are better than IMG best win 

 

[Columbiafan]

8 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

 

I would consider putting AHP and STA up one spot and IMG at #9 behind those 2

[GardenStateBaller]

4 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

I would consider putting AHP and STA up one spot and IMG at #9 behind those 2

Until STA schedules and beats IMG, they'll NEVER appear above IMG in this poll 😉 

[Columbiafan]

17 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Until STA schedules and beats IMG, they'll NEVER appear above IMG in this poll 😉 

So IMG loses again what happens? STA is clearly better this year and IMG hasn't gotten a top 50 win 

 

Them even being in the top 10 comes across as them receiving too much credit for the resume of their past than anything they have done this year 

[Columbiafan]

Hell I could argue IMG may not even have a top 100 win too if I really wanted to spend time making the argument

[Columbiafan]

What about AHP though?

[GardenStateBaller]

16 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

So IMG loses again what happens? STA is clearly better this year and IMG hasn't gotten a top 50 win 

 

Them even being in the top 10 comes across as them receiving too much credit for the resume of their past than anything they have done this year 

On 11/18 if IMG loses to #1/2 SFA, they'll still be ranked above STA in this poll. If IMG ever gets upset by an low-ranked slappie, then that's a different story. The latter will never happen, though. IMO MC, C-M, IMG and AHP are all better than STA as of today. 

[Columbiafan]

8 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

On 11/18 if IMG loses to #1/2 SFA, they'll still be ranked above STA in this poll. If IMG ever gets upset by an low-ranked slappie, then that's a different story. The latter will never happen, though. IMO MC, C-M, IMG and AHP are all better than STA as of today. 

If IMG loses to SFA they deserve to drop out of the top 10 IMO 

 

Can you name any poll currently that has a team with 2 losses and no top 50/100 wins and is still ranked in the top 10?

[Columbiafan]

8 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

On 11/18 if IMG loses to #1/2 SFA, they'll still be ranked above STA in this poll. If IMG ever gets upset by an low-ranked slappie, then that's a different story. The latter will never happen, though. IMO MC, C-M, IMG and AHP are all better than STA as of today. 

Yeah because outside of Miami Central and SFA their schedule in 2022 is very weak for a national power and so far they are 0-1 in that slate of games 

Most years IMG would have even with Miami Central loss probably made up for it with 2-4 top 50/100 wins since then

IMG likely has 0 of those this season and could be heading for their second loss against the only national powers they played this year

And I get IMG will be top 10 in preseason because preseason polls lean heavily into the "on-paper" talent but in terms of resumes and wins what exactly has IMG done in the "2022" season to earn top 10 in the country?

[GardenStateBaller]

30 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

Yeah because outside of Miami Central and SFA their schedule in 2022 is very weak for a national power and so far they are 0-1 in that slate of games 

Most years IMG would have even with Miami Central loss probably made up for it with 2-4 top 50/100 wins since then

IMG likely has 0 of those this season and could be heading for their second loss against the only national powers they played this year

And I get IMG will be top 10 in preseason because preseason polls lean heavily into the "on-paper" talent but in terms of resumes and wins what exactly has IMG done in the "2022" season to earn top 10 in the country?

SFA and IMG are the most feared teams in America when it comes to scheduling. They cannot be blamed or penalized in any way for the quality of their annual schedules in this respect. Doing such would allow the cancel culture to prevail. And nobody wants that. 

[GardenStateBaller]

36 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

If IMG loses to SFA they deserve to drop out of the top 10 IMO 

 

Can you name any poll currently that has a team with 2 losses and no top 50/100 wins and is still ranked in the top 10?

All HSFB polls are unique and they each have their own, distinct nuances. That's why no two will ever be exactly alike. And that's a good things at this level. 

[Columbiafan]

1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said:

All HSFB polls are unique and they each have their own, distinct nuances. That's why no two will ever be exactly alike. And that's a good things at this level. 

But all polls typically during the season separate good teams from great teams by comparing the resume and wins 

 

That's through stuff like SOS and ranked wins which is used by ALL ranking outlets including you which you have used to justify several teams including SFA at the #1 spot for example

 

It's also how a team like Mater Dei is valued higher than say for example TCA, because Mater Dei has a stronger SOS and more nationally ranked wins even though both are undefeated from a power state 

[Columbiafan]

1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said:

SFA and IMG are the most feared teams in America when it comes to scheduling. They cannot be blamed or penalized in any way for the quality of their annual schedules in this respect. Doing such would allow the cancel culture to prevail. And nobody wants that. 

SFA was able to schedule several nationally ranked teams 

 

Chaminade was able to schedule one of the best non conference schedules in the country 

 

AHP has a great schedule and resume 

 

How do all of them get great teams throughout the schedule but IMG can only get 2 teams inside the top 50/100? 

 

IMG generally has a good schedule so why would the schedule have suddenly dropped this year but not any year prior, it's not like teams just suddenly realized how loaded IMG is, they have known for years!!

[GardenStateBaller]

1 minute ago, Columbiafan said:

But all polls typically during the season separate good teams from great teams by comparing the resume and wins 

 

That's through stuff like SOS and ranked wins which is used by ALL ranking outlets including you which you have used to justify several teams including SFA at the #1 spot for example

 

It's also how a team like Mater Dei is valued higher than say for example TCA, because Mater Dei has a stronger SOS and more nationally ranked wins even though both are undefeated from a power state 

The power privates will always have a ranking edge since their SOS will always be higher than most pubs. 

[GardenStateBaller]

1 minute ago, Columbiafan said:

SFA was able to schedule several nationally ranked teams 

 

Chaminade was able to schedule one of the best non conference schedules in the country 

 

AHP has a great schedule and resume 

 

How do all of them get great teams throughout the schedule but IMG can only get 2 teams inside the top 50/100? 

 

IMG generally has a good schedule so why would the schedule have suddenly dropped this year but not any year prior, it's not like teams just suddenly realized how loaded IMG is, they have known for years!!

Most teams are pertified to schedule them. And CA and GA are prohibited from doing such. Beggars can't be choosers! 

And look at treams like Columbia and Venice. They'll scrimmage them, but NEVER play them in the regular season. Smh. 

[Columbiafan]

Just now, GardenStateBaller said:

Most teams are pertified to schedule them. And CA and GA are prohibited from doing such. Beggars can't be choosers! 

Where did GA ban it?

[Columbiafan]

2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

The power privates will always have a ranking edge since their SOS will always be higher than most pubs. 

Yeah but In the case of IMG their SOS isn't on par with what it was in past seasons

 

Are you telling me of all the power privates in the top 50/100 in the country the only teams at that level they can get is SFA and public Miami Central?

[GardenStateBaller]

1 minute ago, Columbiafan said:

When did GA ban it?

In 2017 after IMG pummeled #2 Grayson 26-7. 

[GardenStateBaller]

Just now, Columbiafan said:

Yeah but In the case of IMG their SOS isn't on par with what it was in past seasons

 

Are you telling me of all the power privates in the top 50/100 in the country the only teams at that level they can get is SFA and public Miami Central?

Yes. If you take out the top FL, GA, CA and TX teams what prominent teams are left to schedule?