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2024 OOS Games Needed by Region


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10 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

That is because the best teams now in general look to schedule OOS. For some states they need to play OOS to get a better game. Its irrelevant. Every season MD’s best games have always been against Cali teams. Every season the best teams we play are Bosco, Cen10, Trinity, etc. When we beat SFA, Gorman, Duncanville, IMG those were not better than our best Cali wins.

You won consensus MNCs because of those OOS wins. Without them it's impossible to do such then and now. 

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39 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

You won consensus MNCs because of those OOS wins. Without them it's impossible to do such then and now. 

Not true. Those were not even the best games on our schedule. It’s laughable. We were consensus in 2017 and we beat Gorman and Bergen who were nowhere near as good as Bosco. 2018 when we shared the MNC our best win was Cali. In 2021 we beat Duncanville who was nowhere near Servite, Cen10 and Bosco. This past season when we shared the MNC, 9 out of our best 10 wins were all Cali teams, except for Kahuku which was our 4th best win. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

Not true. Those were not even the best games on our schedule. It’s laughable. We were consensus in 2017 and we beat Gorman and Bergen who were nowhere near as good as Bosco. 2018 when we shared the MNC our best win was Cali. In 2021 we beat Duncanville who was nowhere near Servite, Cen10 and Bosco. This past season when we shared the MNC, 9 out of our best 10 wins were all Cali teams, except for Kahuku which was our 4th best win. 

 

All of us opinion pollsters talk and compare criteria and strategies. And each of us are looking for at least one, elite OOS win on the final resume. Why do you think that DeSoto only won one poll (Massey algorithm) this past season with an undefeated, all-Texas schedule? Going back to the mid-late 2000s almost every consensus MNC had had at least one of these wins. Like it or not it's the new norm now. 

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9 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

All of us opinion pollsters talk and compare criteria and strategies. And each of us are looking for at least one, elite OOS win on the final resume. Why do you think that DeSoto only won one poll (Massey algorithm) this past season with an undefeated, all-Texas schedule? Going back to the mid-late 2000s almost every consensus MNC had had at least one of these wins. Like it or not it's the new norm now. 

Because DeSoto’s overall SOS was weak. It was weak because of the caliber of the Texas teams they played, not because they didn’t play OOS. If the Texas elites scheduled each other in the regular season there would be no issue.

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5 hours ago, Bodysurf said:

Because DeSoto’s overall SOS was weak. It was weak because of the caliber of the Texas teams they played, not because they didn’t play OOS. If the Texas elites scheduled each other in the regular season there would be no issue.

If DS had an OOS win in 2023 vs MD, SJB, BG, IMG, SJP, C-M, etc. they win a MNC across the majority of the nine national polls. It has nothing to do with their in-state schedule.  

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6 hours ago, Bodysurf said:

Because DeSoto’s overall SOS was weak. It was weak because of the caliber of the Texas teams they played, not because they didn’t play OOS. If the Texas elites scheduled each other in the regular season there would be no issue.

At season's end DS OOS was 8 points higher than BGs (51 vs 43). BG won three polls (ESPN, MP, USAT). More proof that an elite OOS victory was missing from DS resume. 

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1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said:

At season's end DS OOS was 8 points higher than BGs (51 vs 43). BG won three polls (ESPN, MP, USAT). More proof that an elite OOS victory was missing from DS resume. 

Gorman has no other option because Nevada sucks. MD does not have to play OOS. Our OOS games actually hurt our SOS. Unless we play somebody like Gorman or STA we are better off playing Sierra Canyon and Mission Viejo in the regular season.

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6 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

Gorman has no other option because Nevada sucks. MD does not have to play OOS. Our OOS games actually hurt our SOS. Unless we play somebody like Gorman or STA we are better off playing Sierra Canyon and Mission Viejo in the regular season.

Hence, why I've been saying that it'll be virtually impossible for a public program to ever win a MNC again without beating an OOS elite or IMG. 

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On 2/3/2024 at 5:29 PM, Bodysurf said:

It is irrelevant where the team you are playing is located. Who cares if they are OOS. Only thing that matters is the quality of the team, not their location. Crossing a state line in and of itself does not make it a better win.

This right here!! 

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46 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

You two are definitely in the minority here and the national rankings prove it. 

National rankings prove that SOS matters. That is all that matters. Playing OOS has no factor in the SOS determination. MD could have had a better SOS last season if they played Mission Viejo or many other Cali teams instead of Bingham, SFA or Creekside. But in your opinion those for some reason carry more weight because those 3 teams are from a different state. Who cares! OOS wins are only good wins if the team is good. I.e. IMG 2018, SFA 2019, and Gorman 2022 were good OOS wins. But aside from playing elite teams, playing an OOS carries no more significance than any other game. 

I know we will never agree.

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8 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

National rankings prove that SOS matters. That is all that matters. Playing OOS has no factor in the SOS determination. MD could have had a better SOS last season if they played Mission Viejo or many other Cali teams instead of Bingham, SFA or Creekside. But in your opinion those for some reason carry more weight because those 3 teams are from a different state. Who cares! OOS wins are only good wins if the team is good. I.e. IMG 2018, SFA 2019, and Gorman 2022 were good OOS wins. But aside from playing elite teams, playing an OOS carries no more significance than any other game. 

I know we will never agree.

It's obvious that Pollsters think differently than Fans. And that's ok. 

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