Who and what reduced NJ football to national irrelevance?

[Testadura]

Can it happen elsewhere?

[GardenStateBaller]

No doubt that Jabrill transfering to PC started it all. 

[Testadura]

We’re there coaches encouraging and welcoming his conduct?

[MC ROCKETS]

MC blowing out DBP in 2013 helped add to the NJ downfall.

[GardenStateBaller]

6 minutes ago, MC ROCKETS said:

MC blowing out DBP in 2013 helped add to the NJ downfall.

Absolutely. That's the season after Jabrill left. 

[MC ROCKETS]

2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Absolutely. That's the season after Jabrill left. 

He wouldn't have made a difference in the game. Still a blow out!

[GardenStateBaller]

4 minutes ago, MC ROCKETS said:

He wouldn't have made a difference in the game. Still a blow out!

Who knows? Jabrill vs Dalvin would've been great to see. Game was close at half without him. 

[Testadura]

12 minutes ago, MC ROCKETS said:

MC blowing out DBP in 2013 helped add to the NJ downfall.

I agree.  But that I see as bad optics outside NJ.  To anyone in NJ who knew football, we had 7 starters out, and lost 3 more during the game.  We were not a good team.  Our DE that game weighed 195, was a 2nd-string LB and a 3rd-string DE, and was really a LAX player.   Even healthy, though, we lose by 15-20, instead of 50-21   

The game was sort of competitive for almost 3 quarters.  we lead most of the 1st half and were within 2 scores with 5 minutes to go in q3.  

I’d take that Bosco team and lay 14 points over ANY NJ team this year.  This year’s Bergen team would be blown out in 1 quarter by that MC team.  

[Testadura]

11 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Who knows? Jabrill vs Dalvin would've been great to see. Game was close at half without him. 

I sort of agree.  MC was in truth as good as many MNCs over the years.  

[Testadura]

But more important, that dog Bosco team later beat Joes at Joes by 7.  

joes was ranked 5 or 6.  Beating Bosco and winning states would have made them top 5, and they lose to Bosco.  

that’s why I asked about NJ going downhill, not Bosco.  

a top-5 Bosco team never loses to a Joes team, ever.  The whole state has been shitting itself since 2011   

So, after MC, we went on to beat the #5 or 6 team in the country.  

how did NJ decline?

[GardenStateBaller]

4 minutes ago, Testadura said:

But more important, that dog Bosco team later beat Joes at Joes by 7.  

joes was ranked 5 or 6.  Beating Bosco and winning states would have made them top 5, and they lose to Bosco.  

that’s why I asked about NJ going downhill, not Bosco.  

a top-5 Bosco team never loses to a Joes team, ever.  The whole state has been shitting itself since 2011   

So, after MC, we went on to beat the #5 or 6 team in the country.  

how did NJ decline?

Top ballers started going to others schools other than DBP, which caused the parity we see today. From 2000-2011 every top player creaved to be at DBP. No NJ team has that dominant allurement anymore. 

[Testadura]

Just now, GardenStateBaller said:

Top ballers started going to others schools other than DBP, which caused to parity we see today. From 2000-2011 every top player creaved to be at DBP. No NJ team has that dominant allurement anymore. 

Every year in 2001-11, there was at least 1 other solid NJ team in the top 100.  And Bosco throttled them except for a year or 2.  How does Joes blow a top-5 finish?

[Testadura]

BC would have finished top 5 last year had they not gotten waxed 31-7 at home by Bosco.  

and didnt Bosco ruin another top season for BC?  These weren’t great Bosco teams.  And they’re in MetLife 3 of the last 4 years?   Something’s wrong.  

[Testadura]

I’ll give you part of the answer:  Amateurs looking to get ahead at the kids’ expense are a big problem.  

parity, yes, of course, but parity is a result of selfish adults trying to get ahead off the kids.  

[GardenStateBaller]

6 minutes ago, Testadura said:

BC would have finished top 5 last year had they not gotten waxed 31-7 at home by Bosco.  

and didnt Bosco ruin another top season for BC?  These weren’t great Bosco teams.  And they’re in MetLife 3 of the last 4 years?   Something’s wrong.  

Last season BC finished outside the T20 last in most polls. Best OOS win vs a 4-loss Saguaro. To be a top 5 team you need an elite OOS win on the resume. 

[Testadura]

13 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Last season BC finished outside the T20 last in most polls. Best OOS win vs a 4-loss Saguaro. To be a top 5 team you need an elite OOS win on the resume. 

Top 10?

[GardenStateBaller]

9 minutes ago, Testadura said:

Top 10?

Borderline. Playing Gibbons NC hurt too. 

[Testadura]

4 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Borderline. Playing Gibbons NC hurt too. 

Ok.  Top 20

[GardenStateBaller]

1 minute ago, Testadura said:

Ok.  Top 20

For example....this season if they won NJ and beat C-M, then they'd be T5. That's the formula. 

[Bodysurf]

Having your state champ in 2017 get boat raced and embarrassed in Cali didn’t help either. 

[GardenStateBaller]

58 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

Having your state champ in 2017 get boat raced and embarrassed in Cali didn’t help either. 

MC beating DBP in 2013 was way worse. Remember, DBP won a share of the Natty the season prior. BC has never been a MNC contender. 

[Testadura]

14 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

MC beating DBP in 2013 was way worse. Remember, DBP won a share of the Natty the season prior. BC never never been a MNC contender. 

It was 2 years before but that wasn’t my point.  Our teams lost because they weren’t tip top.  Losing is what happens when you’re worse than the other team.  

im asking how did our teams go downhill.  

Losing is just the outcome of becoming worse.  Why did we get so bad?

[GardenStateBaller]

Just now, Testadura said:

It was 2 years before but that wasn’t my point.  Our teams lost because they weren’t tip top.  Losing is what happens when you’re worse than the other team.  

im asking how did our teams go downhill.  

Losing is just the outcome of becoming worse.  Why did we get so bad?

DBP has three MNCs (09, 11, 12).

Jabrill transfering from DBP is the correct answer. 

[Testadura]

7 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

DBP has three MNCs (09, 11, 12).

Jabrill transfering from DBP is the correct answer. 

He transferred 11 years ago, and due that single action, NJ football is becoming or is irrelevant?

did big transfers occur before?  After?   Still?   More?   Less?  In other states?   How long has IMG been poaching?

nothing else of note happened?   He unleashed irreversible decline?   No one could adapt or benefit or mitigate?

like a meteor hitting the planet, causing calamitous consequences put in motion with nothing to stand in their way, and so, life just died?  🙂 

[GardenStateBaller]

15 minutes ago, Testadura said:

He transferred 11 years ago, and due that single action, NJ football is becoming or is irrelevant?

did big transfers occur before?  After?   Still?   More?   Less?  In other states?   How long has IMG been poaching?

nothing else of note happened?   He unleashed irreversible decline?   No one could adapt or benefit or mitigate?

like a meteor hitting the planet, causing calamitous consequences put in motion with nothing to stand in their way, and so, life just died?  🙂 

By him being uber successful after transferring from DBP to PC, it showed all future ballers that it it didn't really matter where you chose to attend high school. For a decade prior to that, DBP had a corner on the market for every baller looking to excel at the college level. No other HSFB program nationally since DBP has housed five (5) All-Americans on the same roster.