Horsefly

11 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

I'd have to watch those plays again 

Unfortunately, I think they’ll face a similar problem with NS except NS is much bigger than DS on the DL. But that’s 7 weeks away still.  DV has time to address their issues. But giving up 42 points on defense isn’t going to get it done v north shore. Not with their QB back 

7 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

Whose saying otherwise?

That play took the run away in the 4th. You can't keep running the ball down 21. 

It wasn't the Desoto defense,  it was that play. 

I’m not emphasizing he only had 3 carries in the 2d, but that it ONLY yielded 4 yards! What caused that?  

Regardless, they won’t get 10x games to play this out, they had the 1 and DV didn’t deliver. 

they’ll play again next year, we’ll see if DV can pull it out. 

Just now, Steeler01 said:

We went over that.  They went down 21 after the fake punt and started passing. 19 of their 42 passes came after that Fake punt TD. That's 45 percent of their pass plays for the game. 

 

The stats still don’t lie. Durham still only had 3 Carrie’s for 4 yards in the 2d half. Mathis took the opportunity on the fake punt and it paid off. (Of course he wanted to go up 21 points)DS made them one dimensional going up big.   And somehow you think that’s a fluke outcome? 

6 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

It made a huge difference. 

Duncanville would've gotten the ball back down 14. Guess what happened when they got the ball back after the fake punt TD? 

 

Huge run TD

Nobody is saying Desoto was getting stopped, but they weren't stopping anyone either. 

They did several times in the red zone. If they didn’t stop them then why did Durham only have 3 carries in the 2d half for 4 yards? What stopped him? Hell, that’s not even getting past the LOS on avg. 

Like I said, a healthy DS, and Durham and co. would rarely see the field 

DV just needs to regroup, work on some things and get ready for NS. This one is done. 

3 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

A HB is irrelevant when you're getting a push

He went for it cause he knows he had nothing to lose.  He doesn't get it and an extra 25 yards isn't going to help his defense. On the other hand, a conversion gives him an opportunity to go up 21 and seal the game. 

Because offensive coaches get to cute. That's what i would've done. 

You explained in a lot of words him taking adv of the opportunity. Lol

of course he wanted to go up 21. His mentality is different from samples, he’s going to take more risks and stick the dagger in a team.  He was successful! 

8 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

Durham wasn't the reason they lost.  

 

Two reasons I highlighted. 

 

The fake punt putting the game out of reach and turnovers

The quality, speed and size of the RB is definitely a factor. They probably never would have punted with riden and trawick in the game. The fake punt didn’t lose the game and wouldn’t have been needed.  

The secondary getting torched right out the gate did. Having sloppy STs did.  Those weren’t flukes. DS scored 14 points and only ran 1 offensive play.  And it was the same kid, and their best athlete. Why the hell kick it to him to begin with? Because DV didn’t focus on details like that. 

Just now, GardenStateBaller said:

Going into yesterday's game DV had outscored its opponents this season 354-26. 

Yes I know. 

6 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

You can't run down 21 in the 4th. The fake punt forced Duncanville to pass. Mathis wasn't dumb.  He knew his defense wasn't going to stop Duncanville, so he had to keep scoring. 

OL

He scrambled pretty well and bought time.  

No it wouldn't have been. If these two played again,  you'd get a high scoring running affair with either team winning. Turnovers and a couple of big plays would decide the game like last night. 

Once again, DS won last night with a 3d and 4th string RBs…DECISIVELY!  That’s a glaring fact that can’t be overlooked when we talk hypothetical rematches. 

Mathis ran for it b/c DV wasn’t looking for it.  the opportunity was there and they took it. Easy conversion.

DV offense wasn’t some great threat last night scoring at will. 
 
If DV OL was so dominant why didn’t they just give it to Durham and him go off for 250-300 yards like last year? 

4 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

They were driving in the 3rd and then they had those back to back to back false starts on 4th and 2. That drive killed more than half of the quarter.

 

They’ve been having penalty issues all year long.

But you wanna know why those happened? They weren’t use to trailing in the 3d by 14. the pressure got to them. 

Durham didn’t go off like they thought so they panicked like they did in ‘21 v NS in the title game when NS took the lead 17-10. 

3 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

They stopped Desoto's offenses last year

Well they dominated both lines, easily.  Durham ran for a ridiculous 309 yards last year.  Yesterday in the 2d half he had 3 carries for 4 yards. (His total yards from last year were cut in half.)

DS made great strides improving their OL/DLs.  
 

their OL bullied DV, Bailey had lots of time to complete passes and the run game was just as effective. The main reason the O put up 42 pts. 
 

if Riden played they would have controlled the clock n ran it down DV throat, limiting DVs possessions.  It would have been a 38-24 type game 

6 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

Duncanville did bully that Desoto defense. They didn't score in the 3rd dur to 2 fumbles by their WRs

 

Neither team scored in the 3d. If DV was doing all the bullying they would have ran it down their throats in the 3d already trailing by 14 

Everyone knows the RB is their bread n butter. 
 

i watched both games from this year n last.  What’s the main difference from last year? 

Just now, Steeler01 said:

Upfront they got whipped on defense.

As did Desoto. Neither team was imposing their will and showing they were truly better.  

DV fumbles stopped them in the 3rd. In the 4th quarter, down 21 after the fake punt they went away from running the ball.  

These two play again,  and the score can go either way. Turnovers and Kerry big plays would determine it. Neither team proved they were truly better last night

Desoto didn’t get whipped up front.  Hell, they held DV to 28 with about 3 min left.  By that time it was a 21 point lead. They gave up 2 long TD runs to Durham, outside of that they held them consistently and in the red zone. 

that’s why DV passed more than usual b/c they weren’t moving it consistently on the ground. Russell attempted 42 passes yesterday.  Way out of character for them. 

With both teams fully healthy I’m not sure the results wouldn’t be the same. DV use to be able to bully DS upfront, they can’t anymore on either side. (I thought DV would have the adv on the OL but even that wasn’t won consistently) 

11 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

The issue for DV was turnovers and DS made big plays.

 

Two big plays that you're forgetting about. 

 

A fake punt up 14. They convert and go up 21

 

The TD before halftime after terrible game management. They don't get the TD it's halftime with 7 less offensive points.  

Let's not act like DS was this dominant team last night.

Neither team stopped the other straight up. 

 

👇🏿. This you? Yes, DV got whipped. Thats the issue last night. 
 

19 hours ago, Steeler01 said:

They got whipped and did nothing outside of what they've always done.  Run the ball and throw some simple pass routes

1 minute ago, Testadura said:

Simmons was out?   

He played but was injured. That’s why he wasn’t as explosive. He sat out last week with an ankle injury. 

12 minutes ago, Steeler01 said:

Desoto played a cleaner game. 

A TD before halftime on the last play if i recall correctly.  

A ton of fumbles by Duncanville.

 

These teams play 10x and I think it goes 6-4 Ville's way.  Neither team can stop the other's running game without a turnover

 

DV secondary couldn’t stop their pass game either. The issue for DV was they lost in the trenches on both sides.  Doesn’t matter how many times you play, if you can’t win up front it lessens your chances 

btw, Desoto was missing BOTH of their top 2 RBs, one of them 4**** deondre Riden. They did all that damage on the ground with 3d and 4th string RBs.

Desoto is simply better THIS year. (I think it’s the opposite, they play 10x DS wins 6-4) 

15 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

No DV player stood out in a major way. The entire team was underwhelming as a whole. RB and QB probably looked the best. 

Desoto was bigger, stronger and faster and played with more energy. It’s that simple. DV will refocus (get Simmons back fully healthy) and get ready to eventually meet north shore. They’ll be fine 

32 minutes ago, Texasball said:

Atascocita is better than DS and probably NS this year!  
 

DV will beat DS by 20 IMO

DV, NS, Atascocita, and Austin Westlake IMO all would handle Desoto.  Another team on Desoto level IMO is this SLC team.  They made very solid Keller team look very average.

I am hearing in the coming years that Atascocita will be D2 behind NS and SC in that district.  Something to watch next few years.  

 

The 26/27th of this month will be big in Texas. Several teams playing each other for district title: 

North shore v Cita

DV v DS

SLC v B Nelson

Willis v Woodlands 

1 hour ago, Nolebull813 said:

1. Chaminade (-)

2. AHP (+1)

3. STA (+1)

4. Cocoa (+1)

5. Miami Central (-3)

6. Norland (-1)

7. Edgewater (+1)

8. Lakeland (+4)

9. Mainland (+1)

10. St Augustine (+1)

11. CCC (+2)

12. Booker T (+2)

13. Venice (+2)

14. Homestead (NR)

15. Columbus (-8)

16. Coconut Creek (+1)

17. Seminole (-8)

18. Lake Mary (-)

19. Miami Palmetto (+3)

20. Treasure Coast (-1)

21. Buchholz (-5)

22. Cardinal Newman (-2)

23. Jesuit (+2)

24. Armwood (-)

25. Palm Beach Central (NR)

 

dropped out 

#22 Bishop Verot 

#23 Benjamin 

What would you say is cocoas signature win ? 

28 minutes ago, pied said:

 

Only see 10 games on their schedule.  🙂

And only 2 of them are by choice: SOC and rockledge 

5 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Teams 25-1,214

You’re just talking out the side of your neck now. Texas bubble teams outside their top 25 will never be the nations baseline for bad teams.   That would be places like NY, PA, Conn, Del, Maine, etc 

4 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

CP is the only poll in America with Cita in its T25. Great minds think alike! 

Massey as well 

7 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

LOL Everyone knows that the CP algorithm favors CA and TX. Hence, why TX currently has four teams in their T15. 

No they don’t value highly a team thats 2-4 and got blown out by CBC MO and lost to Baylor TN  

Atascocita will need an opponent next year, get Lipscomb on the schedule then we can see for ourselves 

6 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Then a TX team should schedule them in 2024!!! 

Get on it then mr scheduling “guru”!  Lol

that would be a perfect game for Atascocita since you don’t think they’re T25.  

Just now, GardenStateBaller said:

If they played DVs schedule they’d be undefeated right now and still ranked in every T25 poll. #nocowardsallowed 

No they wouldn’t. They couldn’t beat SOC. 

PROJECT A MATCHUP
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[2023] South Oak Cliff (Dallas, TX) 35 (81%), [2023] Lipscomb Academy (Nashville, TN) 21 (19%)