SBLive Power 25 Rankings (9/25/23)

[GardenStateBaller]

 

[GardenStateBaller]

Too low: MC, STA, AHP, KAH

Too high: DV, DS, NS, ED 

[Horsefly]

48 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Too low: MC, STA, AHP, KAH

Too high: DV, DS, NS, ED 

And I know you’re trolling with Texas, but what exactly has Buford done that is noteworthy?  I’ll wait…

[GardenStateBaller]

1 minute ago, Horsefly said:

And I know you’re trolling with Texas, but what exactly has Buford done that is noteworthy?  I’ll wait…

Shut out SFA when they were 100% healthy. 

[Horsefly]

9 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Shut out SFA when they were 100% healthy. 

Who cares? Either a SFA win means something for everyone that’s beaten them or no one.  That SFA win is meaningless the more SFA loses. 

they also beat mallard creek 10-7, a mallard creek team that is 2-3 and ranked 900 something in calpreps. 

buford is ranked high because they’re #1 in a power state, have a solid reputation and they’re very talented. But the reality is their talent hasn’t been consistent with results on the field 

Edited September 26, 2023 by Horsefly

[GardenStateBaller]

9 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

Who cares? Either a SFA win means something for everyone that’s beaten them or no one.  That SFA win is meaningless the more SFA loses. 

they also beat mallard creek 10-7, a mallard creek team that is 2-3 and ranked 900 something in calpreps. 

buford is ranked high because they’re #1 in a power state, have a solid reputation and they’re very talented. But the reality is their talent hasn’t been consistent with results on the field 

Buford beat Mallard Creek on the road in a non-bordering state. Something TX refuses to do! 

[Horsefly]

1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Buford beat Mallard Creek on the road in a non-bordering state. Something TX refuses to do! 

my comment about Buford has nothing to do with Texas. 

at the end of the day buford struggled with a team that is not very good in state nor nationally.  

[GardenStateBaller]

5 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

my comment about Buford has nothing to do with Texas. 

at the end of the day buford struggled with a team that is not very good in state nor nationally.  

And TX wouldn't know how much harder it is to play another team outside of its own state. You  and yours have no credibility in this debate. 

[Horsefly]

9 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

And TX wouldn't know how much harder it is to play another team outside of its own state. You  and yours have no credibility in this debate. 

Dude it’s a 220 mile trip from Buford to MC! Some teams in texas travel farther than that for predistrict. Lol

At the end of the day, Buford still struggled with a mediocre team. No way around that 

 

Edited September 26, 2023 by Horsefly

[GardenStateBaller]

13 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

Dude it’s a 220 mile trip from Buford to MC! Some teams in texas travel farther than that for predistrict. Lol

At the end of the day, Buford still struggled with a mediocre team. No way around that 

 

So did MD vs SFA. And they're still #1 in America in every poll. 

[Horsefly]

8 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

So did MD vs SFA. And they're still #1 in America in every poll. 

MD is ~2600 miles from Baltimore.  So there are significant changes to the daily routine that needed to be made for that game to happen.  They probably traveled a few days ahead.  It’s not the same

 

 

[GardenStateBaller]

4 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

MD is ~2600 miles from Baltimore.  So there are significant changes to the daily routine that needed to be made for that game to happen.  They probably traveled a few days ahead.  It’s not the same

 

Yet everyone is crucifying SFA for losing road games in consecutive weeks to Buford, C-M, SJB and ESL. Add those miles up!! 

[Horsefly]

3 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Yet everyone is crucifying SFA for losing road games in consecutive weeks to Buford, C-M, SJB and ESL. Add those miles up!! 

Well,  when winning the natty is your only goal then “yes” you’ll get crucified for losing all those games. They can’t play for any state title or anything. It is what it is 

[GardenStateBaller]

29 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

Well,  when winning the natty is your only goal then “yes” you’ll get crucified for losing all those games. They can’t play for any state title or anything. It is what it is 

They can't play for a state title because their conference members refuse to play them because they scared!!! SFA is being forced to play an independent schedule because of the racist cancel cuture within the MIAA. 

[GardenStateBaller]

2 minutes ago, pied said:

 

 

We have a league game Friday that is 256 mile drive.  Had another league game that was 230 miles two weeks ago.  

Same state, though. Travel to CA, FL and GA by air and see how that works out. 

[GardenStateBaller]

2 minutes ago, pied said:

 

They also do not abide by the rules of the organization, which is likely the bigger reason they cannot compete for the state title.  Because of the way they recruit athletes, their teams are better and I'm certain they are "scared" a bit, but when you choose to not follow the rules, I'm not sure how you complain.

 

 

 

57. Student Eligibility: Transfer Students Rules

57.1 through 57.5 deal with school transfers that were not required due to the move of parents or transfers without the move of parents.

57.1 A student who transfers from any school to an MIAA member high school is ineligible to participate in any interscholastic athletic contest at any level for a period of one year I I MIAA Handbook July 1, 2021 – June 30, 2023 53 in all sports in which that student participated at the varsity level or its equivalent during the one year period immediately preceding the transfer.

...

57.4 The receiving MIAA High School Principal may utilize Form 200 to declare a transfer student eligible, providing transfer is prior to the start of the season and if the sending MIAA School Principal certifies the following (3a through 3f on Form 200):

a. To our knowledge recruitment was not involved in any way.

b. At the time of transfer, the student was in good standing.

c. The student would be academically eligible at the sending school.
d. To our knowledge the transfer was in no way motivated by athletics.

e. The student would have been eligible by MIAA and local rules at the sending school.

f. If sending school believes recruitment, or transfer was related to athletic (a & d above), they must make an allegation with additional proof(s) to the MIAA Executive Director or designee within 10 days of returning the Form 200 to the Receiving School. They must also NOT INITIAL “a” or “d” when filling out Form 200.

 

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/sportshub2-uploads-prod/files/sites/3113/2022/06/02134545/MIAA-Transfer-Student-Rules.pdf

 

When the MIAA forced them out for football, those rules went by the wayside as expected. 

SFA still plays by the MIAA league rules in every other sport other than football. The MIAA made their bed in this respect. They created the monster that SFA has become in football. As usual, this move blew-up in the cancel cultures face! 

 

[GardenStateBaller]

1 minute ago, pied said:

 

220 mile trip is WAY different when you don't cross state borders lol.

I go wayyy back and watched Arlington Lamar travel by plane to beat Panama City Rutherford.

 

This season Trinity Vally flew out west to put a beating on a CA team in San Diego.  They lost at home to Houston Christian (who took the bus 250 miles) this past Friday.

 

 

 

The University City (San Diego, CA) varsity football team lost Saturday's home non-conference game against Trinity Valley (Fort Worth, TX) by a score of 64-47.

 

 

 

I like out of state games, but just because you want something to be true, doesn't make it true.

Please, lets leave these discussions to the modern-era of HSFB. Anything that occurred 15+ years ago is irrelevant and a moot point. 

[GardenStateBaller]

4 minutes ago, pied said:

 

Why not play by the rules in football and compete?  Are rules so hard to follow in one sport than another?  

 

No need to reply, it was a rhetorical question that we all know the answer to.  

 

MIAA = cancel culture in football, but not basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, volleyball and everything else.  uh huh....

Why abide by league rules of the league that kicked you out of it for football? Makes no sense. As an Independent, SFA is free to operate however it likes. If the MIAA ever extends an olive branch back into the MIAA, then those rules will apply like beforehand. 

[GardenStateBaller]

1 minute ago, pied said:

 

 

9/2/2023  TVS 64 - 47 @ San Diego University City

9/22/2023 @ TVS 32 - 34 Houston Christian

Then at least mention teams that are known and relevant as this is a NATIONAL forum. Thx!

[GardenStateBaller]

54 minutes ago, pied said:

 

I think there is a lot of noble intent from Poggi and other people for a lot of these kids.  I also think that it is pretty clear that the rules of the league weren't being followed.  Not sure how you say, "then tough s***" and then complain about them calling you out on that.

 

Here are the rules:

 

57.4 The receiving MIAA High School Principal may utilize Form 200 to declare a transfer student eligible, providing transfer is prior to the start of the season and if the sending MIAA School Principal certifies the following (3a through 3f on Form 200):

a. To our knowledge recruitment was not involved in any way.

b. At the time of transfer, the student was in good standing.

c. The student would be academically eligible at the sending school.
d. To our knowledge the transfer was in no way motivated by athletics.

 

 

 

Here's what SFA said:

 

 

Nearly 92 percent of St. Frances' 180 students are African-American. Nearly 80 percent live at or below the poverty level. More than half attend for free. Another 20 percent pay considerably less than the full $9,000 annual tuition. Poggi underwrites the tuition of 45 St. Frances players, as well supplements the salaries of seven full-time teachers, pays for SAT prep classes and makes possible the hiring of an academic support coordinator.

...

Poggi coaches St. Frances for free. He rents two townhouses for players who have nowhere else to go. When he discovered that several of his players were diagnosed as clinically malnourished, he arranged for daily meals. And on occasion, he helps pay the college tuition of players who didn't receive a football scholarship.

"I decided I wanted to put my time, my money, my resources into these kids," Poggi says. "And if you don't like it, then tough s---."

...

"They have cherry-picked many very good athletes that are at other locations, other private schools," she says. "They have created an all-star team, a lot of transfers. That's the difference."

According to St. Frances officials, its varsity team in 2016 accepted 23 transfer players, five from out of state. In 2017, there were 15 transfer, five from out of state. Entering the 2018 season, there are nine transfers, three from out of state. 

 

 

Biff has been out of SFA for several years. He's no longer involved whatsoever. What he did or said prior is meangingless as of today. 

 

 

[GardenStateBaller]

2 minutes ago, pied said:

 

 

That's simply a dumb point, because that was said when he was there and they were "kicked out" of the MIAA.  That's what we're discussing now.

 

Forced out= Kicked out

Every team in the conference said they would forfeit their games vs SFA if they were forced to play them. SFA was forced to go independent in football by its league. 

[GardenStateBaller]

2 minutes ago, pied said:

 

 

Correct, because they weren't following the rules.  Transfers are not allowed to be motivated by athletics.  If they don't want to follow the rules of the conference and be independent, that's fine.  Don't get mad when you get called out on it though, rioght?

 

 

57.4 The receiving MIAA High School Principal may utilize Form 200 to declare a transfer student eligible, providing transfer is prior to the start of the season and if the sending MIAA School Principal certifies the following (3a through 3f on Form 200):

a. To our knowledge recruitment was not involved in any way.

b. At the time of transfer, the student was in good standing.

c. The student would be academically eligible at the sending school.
d. To our knowledge the transfer was in no way motivated by athletics.

 

 

"They have cherry-picked many very good athletes that are at other locations, other private schools," she says. "They have created an all-star team, a lot of transfers. That's the difference."

According to St. Frances officials, its varsity team in 2016 accepted 23 transfer players, five from out of state. In 2017, there were 15 transfer, five from out of state. Entering the 2018 season, there are nine transfers, three from out of state. 

Again, all those numbers were from 5+ years ago when Biff was running the program. Today is a different day. 

[GardenStateBaller]

2 minutes ago, pied said:

 

You talk out both sides of your mouth.  Nothing new lol

 

1.  Those were the reasons they were forced/kicked out of the MIAA

2.  They still appear to be operating in the same manner:

When the MIAA forced them out for football, those rules went by the wayside as expected. 

SFA still plays by the MIAA league rules in every other sport other than football. The MIAA made their bed in this respect. They created the monster that SFA has become in football. As usual, this move blew-up in the cancel cultures face! 

 

3.  The rules indicate you are not eligible to play a varsity sport if you played one the previous season.  They took a mid-season Senior 9class of '24) transfer from a MIAA school.  

 

 

 

 

Again, until the MIAA offers SFA Football an olive branch back into the conference, they are free to operate however they like. Until then it's survival of the fittest! 

[GardenStateBaller]

5 minutes ago, pied said:

It would be refreshing to just have everyone be truthful.

I have NO problem with the leaders of St Frances trying to build a national brand and use that to build up the school and fulfill and maybe expand the mission.  

I also have NO problem with the MIAA saying that those methods aren't consistent with the goals and rules of the league and if SFA wants to build their team that way, then they can't participate in the league.  

 

SFA is prospering now, which is all that matters. Just more proof that boycotts do not work in cancel culture nor in HSFB. Thank God! 

[GardenStateBaller]

4 minutes ago, pied said:

 

More proof that you change what you say to fit your narrative.  If now is al that matters, just stick with that lol.

They chose to not play by the rules they agreed to.  That's ok, but stop the crying about it and saying it's "cancel culture".  

 

 

I'll always be a champion for the underserved and oppressed. Both in and out of HSFB.