CIF Southern Section D1 playoffs

[Omaha Vol]

54 minutes ago, generic said:

Woo woo woo Owasso and Dorman. See what I mean?

Owasso yes, Dorman no. 

[CaliFB]

1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Let’s be real. In the end only ONE playoff game really matters annually in the state of CA. Nobody gives two shits about the other 498 teams. 

SMH 

[Bodysurf]

12 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

In the end the best two teams in CA will be playing each other. That’s all that matters. 

I agree with this. But the debate is who deserves #2. If Mission and Bosco are on the same side it settles things. MD already proved they can beat Bosco. Mission needs to do the same, and in doing so would validate them deserving #2. Similarly for Bosco, should they beat Mission, their #2 seeding is warranted.

Instead, Mission gets the ultimate insult of facing Corona Centennial in their first playoff game. 
 

[GardenStateBaller]

1 hour ago, Bodysurf said:

I agree with this. But the debate is who deserves #2. If Mission and Bosco are on the same side it settles things. MD already proved they can beat Bosco. Mission needs to do the same, and in doing so would validate them deserving #2. Similarly for Bosco, should they beat Mission, their #2 seeding is warranted.

Instead, Mission gets the ultimate insult of facing Corona Centennial in their first playoff game. 
 

Maybe MV should start scheduling SJB each regular season just like Cen10 does with MD? 

[GardenStateBaller]

[Bodysurf]

What is the significance of the above image?

[Texasball]

No doubt some good teams - small and nearly everyone with chance has played one another already.   Who’s winning the North this year?  DLS?

 

[Bodysurf]

6 minutes ago, Texasball said:

No doubt some good teams - small and nearly everyone with chance has played one another already.   Who’s winning the North this year?  DLS?

 

DLS is the prohibitive favorite. They have impressed, but it’s hard to say how good they are because they have yet to play a very good team. They will likely get handled easily in the state championship by whatever team represents SoCal.

[CaliFB]

15 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Yeah what is the point of this?

[Bodysurf]

1 hour ago, CaliFB said:

Yeah what is the point of this?

I am guessing to say that GSB is currently in the East Bay.

[Old_e]

On 11/4/2024 at 4:59 AM, Bodysurf said:

I agree with this. But the debate is who deserves #2. If Mission and Bosco are on the same side it settles things. MD already proved they can beat Bosco. Mission needs to do the same, and in doing so would validate them deserving #2. Similarly for Bosco, should they beat Mission, their #2 seeding is warranted.

Instead, Mission gets the ultimate insult of facing Corona Centennial in their first playoff game. 
 

That could be bad news for MV. This is a different Cent10 from week one and 2. 

[generic]

On 11/5/2024 at 7:32 AM, CaliFB said:

Yeah what is the point of this?

That's how you passive-aggressively threaten people lol 😉

[acheaja8]

Once again, Trinity League is toughest league in America, CIF Southern Section Division 1 is toughest playoff conference in America.  As for Calpreps: CalPreps algorithm is a huge improvement over the old system Cali used to rank teams and establish a State Champion for its 14 CIF football Divisions. There are more than 800 HS football teams in Cali and almost 600 are in the CIF Southern Section alone. The power ranking system replaced old league and playoff system and gives more school the opportunity achieve parity over time relative to its talent/coaching/program, be competitive during the regular season, and get to post season play.  A team cannot “sandbag” losses anymore to put itself in a lower division so it can run the table in playoffs.  That’s the old system were you’d see a team than was Division 3 and another team was Division 7 playing in the same league based on prior year’s CIF playoff standings. CalPreps algorithm prevents that.  Look at Division 1 brackets this year and look at the results for Inglewood and Sierra Canyon having to play into running the D1 gauntlet.  Practically, Calpreps algorithm mostly affects CIF Division 2 (maybe 3) through 14.  There are maybe 15 teams in Cali that are perennial programs. The drop off in quality is massive once you get to Division 3 and lower.  The algorithm reflects the top 8-10 Division 1 teams are actually playing in CIF Southern Section Division 1 playoffs. Unlike last year under the old system where Servite and Mission Viejo are in the D2 bracket which was stupid. If there’s a year where an outlier from NorCal (OG De La Salle glory days) is highly ranked, then we’ll see you in the State Open Division championship for the winner take all game where there is not doubt about who the best team in Cali is. 

[GardenStateBaller]

CP currently has 6-loss SM at #11 in America. That alone shows that its algorithm is broken. It's a good resource. Far from a great and accurate one on a national scale. 

[acheaja8]

Agreed. My comments were focused on what it does for Cali football to determine standings and post season matchups.  Personally, I evaluate algorithms like Massey and CalPreps diffeeent than human polls or a hybrid like HSFA 300.  From data standpoint, more polls having different methodologies is better mathematically.  At least to observe correlation. In other words, regardless of which poll and which year you observe, there is higher correlation among who the National top 25 teams are perennially. That wasn’t the case 20 years ago. Historically, college football is relevant. In the way back machine of early college football it was all regional pollsters, then the AP/Coaches Poll Era, then BCS, then 4 team and now the 12 team playoff. What I like about guys like you and HSFA and others is your bringing more data and helping HS football become less of a regional discussion and more national. It’s the evolution of the sport at every level now but it will be a while before you’ll see any serious discussion about HS teams forming a national conference, perhaps never with public schools, mostly because of State laws, program infrastructure and the💰incentives are not ripe. 

[acheaja8]

BTW,  some folks on this thread were bummed about C10 and MV being in the same bracket this year. Along with the debate about the structure of the playoff brackets and which teams are better than other teams (SJB vs OLU vs C10 bs MV or whatever).  It misses the point, the CalPreps algorithm includes variables for prior year outcomes in its calculation which impacts the seeding of this year’s D1 brackets. It’s the primary reason SJB got the “easier” bracket this year (OLU aside) while C10, MV and MD are on the other side.  The only thing the CIF SS coaches committee did with CIF was determine whether there would be 8 or 10 teams this year. That wasn’t decided until after SM beat Servite. 

 

 

 

[GardenStateBaller]

1 hour ago, acheaja8 said:

Agreed. My comments were focused on what it does for Cali football to determine standings and post season matchups.  Personally, I evaluate algorithms like Massey and CalPreps diffeeent than human polls or a hybrid like HSFA 300.  From data standpoint, more polls having different methodologies is better mathematically.  At least to observe correlation. In other words, regardless of which poll and which year you observe, there is higher correlation among who the National top 25 teams are perennially. That wasn’t the case 20 years ago. Historically, college football is relevant. In the way back machine of early college football it was all regional pollsters, then the AP/Coaches Poll Era, then BCS, then 4 team and now the 12 team playoff. What I like about guys like you and HSFA and others is your bringing more data and helping HS football become less of a regional discussion and more national. It’s the evolution of the sport at every level now but it will be a while before you’ll see any serious discussion about HS teams forming a national conference, perhaps never with public schools, mostly because of State laws, program infrastructure and the💰incentives are not ripe. 

Are you familair with @misterfootball Top 50 Weekly Composite Rankings? It's the ONLY comp poll in America that includes all nine (9) national pollsters. It's truly to great equalizer in the World of HSFB. 

[Bodysurf]

2 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

CP currently has 6-loss SM at #11 in America. That alone shows that its algorithm is broken. It's a good resource. Far from a great and accurate one on a national scale. 

Don’t be surprised if SM Beats Bosco. 

[GardenStateBaller]

Just now, Bodysurf said:

Don’t be surprised if SM Beats Bosco. 

Steak dinner bet straight-up??

[Bodysurf]

5 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Steak dinner bet straight-up??

lol. I’m not saying they will. It would be an upset.

My point is that SM now has their offensive weapons back. Trent Mosley and Jonah Smith (transfer from MD) missed a lot of the season but they are back. The offense is rolling at a Cen10 level the past few games. Game can be a shootout. 
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if SM wins, but I would not take them straight up since Bosco has the overall better team.

[acheaja8]

Coin flips for the semi finals are done. MD either plays at Centennial, or at home against Mission Viejo.

[GardenStateBaller]

5 minutes ago, acheaja8 said:

Coin flips for the semi finals are done. MD either plays at Centennial, or at home against Mission Viejo.

As the top seed why will they have to play any road games? 

[acheaja8]

Semi finals are always a coin flip 

[acheaja8]

The CIF office does the coin flips before semi finals and schools can have representatives there if they want. Mater Dei would play at Centennial because we would've already had one home game and they would've had none. That's the rule, no coin flip required. 

[acheaja8]

My kid plays for MD so I just got word.