230 Yards Of Total Offense

[Texasball]

11 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Yet those TX teams are unable to compete with the Tier 1 national elites. 

Foolish statement.  

[GardenStateBaller]

2 hours ago, Texasball said:

Foolish statement.  

41-14, 45-3, 52-14, 47-7

Barely beating SFA after teams like Buford and ESL did ain't an elite win!! 

[acheaja8]

Interesting topic. DV is a good program and so is MD. The question is why? I’d say the it’s not simply “recruiting” however you define it. I’d say it’s competition. In UIL 6A (where DV is) there are 249 schools.  To be 6A you have to have a minimum 2,275 students. TX football mandates schools size as the criteria for 6A-1A. So, TX believes school size gives a competitive advantage and realigns every 2 years for that purpose. In CIF Southern Section (where MD is) there are 560 schools (public and private) and ranking is determined by a CalPreps power ranking algorithm based on each teams record over past two seasons. Teams are placed in Divisions and can move up or down based on their record. It’s a bottom up system no matter school size. BUT, Trinity League schools (MD, SJB, etc) are the only ones in the State not placed in that system. The 6 Trinity schools wait for everyone else to play into the top division in CIF SS playoffs and, after Section champion is determined, everyone else in the State gets a shot at them for State champion.  ITS A WINNER TAKE ALL SYSTEM. There is nothing like this in TX.  Here’s the point:  From what I can tell, there are two major differences between TX and CA football that is affecting how selectors are ranking teams.  1) the structure of TX and CA football influences how the selectors are ranking the quality of the teams AND the quality of their wins/losses. For Trinity League schools in CA, there are 560 schools in SS Section who are actually playing football for a shot at beating a Trinity school each year in playoffs and then another 300 in CA that get a shot for Stare champion.  In UIL 6A, there are 32 schools who’s only criteria is 2,275 students enrolled. On average this means those are the best football teams in TX but irs not because of “recruiting” but larger schools size bc 6A represents about 20% of TX total school population 2) CA teams travel out of state and TX teams do not. Only teams that travel to TX get evaluated. TX always gets home field advantage and while it helps when they beat a high profile out of state team, it hurts more when they lose AND they don’t travel out of state.  Over time, just like the college game and the NFL, these two sets of date absolutely influence rankings. 

[Bodysurf]

1 hour ago, acheaja8 said:

In CIF Southern Section (where MD is) there are 560 schools (public and private) and ranking is determined by a CalPreps power ranking algorithm based on each teams record over past two seasons. Teams are placed in Divisions and can move up or down based on their record. It’s a bottom up system no matter school size. BUT, Trinity League schools (MD, SJB, etc) are the only ones in the State not placed in that system. The 6 Trinity schools wait for everyone else to play into the top division in CIF SS playoffs and, after Section champion is determined, everyone else in the State gets a shot at them for State champion.  

What are you talking about? All schools in the CIF SS are placed in the playoffs by Calpreps ranking. The Trinity League is not special. lol. To say they are ‘not placed in that system’ is comical.
 

Last season Servite was in the SS D2 playoffs and the other 5 Trinity League teams were in D1 because they were all in the top 8 in the SS according to Calpreps rankings. If the SS D1 playoffs started tomorrow the teams would be (in order) MD, Mission, Cen10, Bosco, OLu, JSerra, Sierra Canyon, Leuzinger.
 

Regarding the Open state championship, the winner of the CIF SS D1 will almost always be the SoCal representative, unless San Diego, LA, etc happens to have a team that is deemed better. So if Cen10 or Mission wins D1 this year, they would represent SoCal in the state Open championship. The 6 Trinity League teams don’t ’wait for everyone else.’  I wish the Trinity League was treated that special. lol. But honesty, we aren’t despite what some people think for whatever reason.

[acheaja8]

Thanks for the feedback. I’m pretty sure we are on the same page Bro. You’re providing examples to make my point. CIF SS started with football and are now using the power ranking system for all sports with maybe a couple exceptions.  However,  I specifically was talking about differences between CA and TX football; how leagues/conferences are determined, their playoff systems and how they determine State champs and perhaps what factors influence selectors ranking decisions when head to head matchups are infrequent between CA and TX teams. Things have changed in CA. And, I am not wrong, the Trinity League is not included in the CIF Southern Section (CIF-SS) alignment for the 2024–2026 school year.The Trinity League will remain the same, while most other Orange County high school sports teams will be realigned into five conferences and two leagues. The new plan will take effect at the start of the 2024–2025 school year. 

The SS Commissioner didn’t sound too comical when he rolled it out this year:

https://cifss.org/news/welcome-back-update/
 

It’s no cut on CA football. Using the new power ranking system a strength and improvement to the old system.  The DV fan trying who invoked the transitive property of who beat who based on total offense clearly doesn’t know the  difference  but to say it’s all “recruiting” is a ridiculous perspective.  
 

 

[Texasball]

On 9/27/2024 at 10:01 AM, GardenStateBaller said:

41-14, 45-3, 52-14, 47-7

Barely beating SFA after teams like Buford and ESL did ain't an elite win!! 

ESL got run ruled vs Atascocita the very next week after beating SFA 

Everyone needs to understand that I know all these privates schools are playing top notch football.  However, the majority of you have had better teams in the past which has opened the door for real debate on who could possibly beat you now!  
 

 

[Texasball]

9 minutes ago, acheaja8 said:

Thanks for the feedback. I’m pretty sure we are on the same page Bro. You’re providing examples to make my point. CIF SS started with football and are now using the power ranking system for all sports with maybe a couple exceptions.  However,  I specifically was talking about differences between CA and TX football; how leagues/conferences are determined, their playoff systems and how they determine State champs and perhaps what factors influence selectors ranking decisions when head to head matchups are infrequent between CA and TX teams. Things have changed in CA. And, I am not wrong, the Trinity League is not included in the CIF Southern Section (CIF-SS) alignment for the 2024–2026 school year.The Trinity League will remain the same, while most other Orange County high school sports teams will be realigned into five conferences and two leagues. The new plan will take effect at the start of the 2024–2025 school year. 

The SS Commissioner didn’t sound too comical when he rolled it out this year:

https://cifss.org/news/welcome-back-update/
 

It’s no cut on CA football. Using the new power ranking system a strength and improvement to the old system.  The DV fan trying who invoked the transitive property of who beat who based on total offense clearly doesn’t know the  difference  but to say it’s all “recruiting” is a ridiculous perspective.  
 

 

No sir, I am just point out that the MD offense in 2024 season has not executed at high level.

[GardenStateBaller]

Love the healthy debate @acheaja8 @Texasball That's what our site is all about! 

[Bodysurf]

1 hour ago, acheaja8 said:

Thanks for the feedback. I’m pretty sure we are on the same page Bro. You’re providing examples to make my point. CIF SS started with football and are now using the power ranking system for all sports with maybe a couple exceptions.  However,  I specifically was talking about differences between CA and TX football; how leagues/conferences are determined, their playoff systems and how they determine State champs and perhaps what factors influence selectors ranking decisions when head to head matchups are infrequent between CA and TX teams. Things have changed in CA. And, I am not wrong, the Trinity League is not included in the CIF Southern Section (CIF-SS) alignment for the 2024–2026 school year.The Trinity League will remain the same, while most other Orange County high school sports teams will be realigned into five conferences and two leagues. The new plan will take effect at the start of the 2024–2025 school year. 

The SS Commissioner didn’t sound too comical when he rolled it out this year:

https://cifss.org/news/welcome-back-update/
 

It’s no cut on CA football. Using the new power ranking system a strength and improvement to the old system.  The DV fan trying who invoked the transitive property of who beat who based on total offense clearly doesn’t know the  difference  but to say it’s all “recruiting” is a ridiculous perspective.  
 

 

I prefer a system where the best teams compete for the highest level championship. This happens in Cali. Size of school is irrelevant.

It’s silly that teams like DeSoto and SLC are not in the same bracket as DV and NS. Make the best teams play in the same bracket!
But at least Texas is a little better than the previous watered down Florida system (I am aware that it is changing) where all the top teams were in different brackets. Ridiculous.