Football Illustrated Top 30 HSFB Rankings

[GardenStateBaller]

3 minutes ago, Longtime Observer said:

Meaning, consults with you to make their schedule. 🤡

One of, if not THE, best teams in Florida is, by definition, a major player nationally. At the moment, Jesuit is MUCH more relevant nationally, having knocked off STA and won a state title. it's quite the struggle to come up with ANY major wins for CAI.

Wrong again. PGL has NEVER EVER scheduled a game for CAI. They do all of that on their own. 

[Longtime Observer]

1 hour ago, Sammy Swordsman said:

The Mendoza Tier will have the same metrics as the regular Tiers.   Pulling from multiple sources such as ranking publications, both regional and national, video evaluation, crowd sourcing, etc.

A placement in the Mendoza Tier will be cited as justification for a team being dropped to a lower Tier.   For Example, if there are 2 teams on the bubble for Tier 3 but one of the teams is in the Mendoza Tier, the Mendoza Tier team most likely will be dropped to Tier 4.

So, calpreps computer ratings and the opinions of the handful of people posting on this message board? 🤡

[GardenStateBaller]

Just now, Longtime Observer said:

Is 90 a typo? Or an embarrassment for CAI?

Not a typo. It's an extremely selective school. Have to admit that it's amazing what they've been able to accomplish for their size. 

[Longtime Observer]

42 minutes ago, Sammy Swordsman said:

@GardenStateBallerThe Mendoza Handicap will  also reward teams for scheduling Top 10, 25, 50, 100.   This will be a selling tool to encouraging OOS scheduling.

A team can earn (10) positive bonus Mendoza points by playing a Top 10 team, (7 points) for a Top 25 team; etc.

What coach wouldn't jump at the chance to increase their Mendoza rating.

Ah, honesty! Credit for that. The wrangling over schedule strength is all about trying to pressure schools to use Joe's services to schedule games. 

[Longtime Observer]

3 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Not a typo. It's an extremely selective school. Have to admit that it's amazing what they've been able to accomplish for their size. 

90 students in the entire "high school". How many are in the football program?

It's not a real school. It's just another variation of USAA, Bishop sycamore etc. It's a football academy that recruits international players and provides them free housing, food and other goodies. That's fine by itself. But, it's not at all comparable to actual schools playing football with local student-athletes.

[Sammy Swordsman]

21 minutes ago, Longtime Observer said:

So, calpreps computer ratings and the opinions of the handful of people posting on this message board? 🤡

Comp ratings for Top 50.   Do you have a problem with that too?

 

We are working out the details.  

[GardenStateBaller]

1 hour ago, Longtime Observer said:

90 students in the entire "high school". How many are in the football program?

It's not a real school. It's just another variation of USAA, Bishop sycamore etc. It's a football academy that recruits international players and provides them free housing, food and other goodies. That's fine by itself. But, it's not at all comparable to actual schools playing football with local student-athletes.

https://www.clearwateracademy.org/

Why are you so negative about everything? Again, your assumptions are proven wrong. 

[All Dei]

21 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

I'm sure it was created before he went AWOL. 

Even WITH Nico, Poly at 27 is a joke.

[GardenStateBaller]

2 minutes ago, All Dei said:

Even WITH Nico, Poly at 27 is a joke.

100%

[All Dei]

22 hours ago, WILKINSON said:

Still waiting on the link to the Football Illustrated website...

 

Until then, this poll will be debunked, and a conspiracy to catapult SFA's ranking. 😉

If SFA has a distinct talent advantage, they win, regardless of the other team's discipline. e.g. DLS

If talent and level of discipline are relatively equal, you get SFA v IMG.

If talent level is relatively equal, and SFA's on the wrong end of the discipline metric, you get STA and MD.

[Longtime Observer]

3 hours ago, Sammy Swordsman said:

Comp ratings for Top 50.   Do you have a problem with that too?

 

We are working out the details.  

Most ratings stop at 25. Any ratings below about 100 will be computer only.

[Longtime Observer]

1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said:

https://www.clearwateracademy.org/

Why are you so negative about everything? Again, your assumptions are proven wrong. 

90 students at the high school level. Any relevant national program has at least 90 kids in their football program between varsity and JV/freshman teams. Even if the whole football program only has 60 kids, that's still 2/3 of the entire school playing football 😂

[Longtime Observer]

53 minutes ago, All Dei said:

If SFA has a distinct talent advantage, they win, regardless of the other team's discipline. e.g. DLS

If talent and level of discipline are relatively equal, you get SFA v IMG.

If talent level is relatively equal, and SFA's on the wrong end of the discipline metric, you get STA and MD.

Not just discipline. The quality of game planning (including film prep) and coordination varies wildly as well.

[GardenStateBaller]

1 minute ago, Longtime Observer said:

90 students at the high school level. Any relevant national program has at least 90 kids in their football program between varsity and JV/freshman teams. Even if the whole football program only has 60 kids, that's still 2/3 of the entire school playing football 😂

Not all high schools are large, public ones. And this guy will proudly support all types of them (traditional and untraditional) for the betterment of the game we all love. 

[Bodysurf]

CAI sounds like Findley Prep that had about 30 students that were all basketball players. 

[GardenStateBaller]

9 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

CAI sounds like Findley Prep that had about 30 students that were all basketball players. 

CAI has about 300 kids K-12. Does Findlay even have students enrolled that aren't hoopsters? CAI also has a top-flight drama program. 

[Bodysurf]

8 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

CAI has about 300 kids K-12. Does Findlay even have students enrolled that aren't hoopsters? CAI also has a top-flight drama program. 

I don’t think Findley is around any more, nor donI think they had ‘students’ that didn’t play hoops.

So the 90 kids you mentioned are 9-12 grade? 

[GardenStateBaller]

2 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

I don’t think Findley is around any more, nor donI think they had ‘students’ that didn’t play hoops.

So the 90 kids you mentioned are 9-12 grade? 

Correct. And the CAI varsity roster consists of about 40 players. 

[All Dei]

22 hours ago, Longtime Observer said:

Not just discipline. The quality of game planning (including film prep) and coordination varies wildly as well.

Implied, but yes, just as important. 

[Omaha Vol]

On 7/14/2022 at 12:03 PM, Columbiafan said:

CAI plays a tough schedule but playing a tough schedule doesn't always mean a team is great 

 

Life Christian Academy probably wouldn't beat any top 25 team in Florida so would they get ranked ahead of teams of that quality simply because they play a tough schedule?

 

The only important thing to consider is would you actually pick CAI head to head in a game with Tampa Jesuit? I know I wouldn't but hey maybe you have a different opinion on that which is perfectly fine but just playing a tougher schedule doesn't always mean the team is actually better on the field and if ranking services are ranking based on schedules that will be a massive flaw that will hurt them unless they can truly justify why SOS is more valuable than on the field ability especially when it's not like Jesuit is just playing the worst teams they can find 

Nailed it! SOS is important, but it’s only one link in the chain when it comes to polls (at least mine anyway). I wish everyone else could realize this concept. 

[GardenStateBaller]

2 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said:

Nailed it! SOS is important, but it’s only one link in the chain when it comes to polls (at least mine anyway). I wish everyone else could realize this concept. 

It needs to be the most important link in every poll. 

[Longtime Observer]

12 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

It needs to be the most important link in every poll. 

A major problem that people don't like to acknowledge is that we aren't nearly as good at evaluating SOS as we wish we were. Both human and computer ratings are based significantly on ASSumptions that may or may not actually be correct. And yet, people still continue to refer to SOS as if it's some sort of objective fact not to be disputed 🤨.

[GardenStateBaller]

3 minutes ago, Longtime Observer said:

A major problem that people don't like to acknowledge is that we aren't nearly as good at evaluating SOS as we wish we were. Both human and computer ratings are based significantly on ASSumptions that may or may not actually be correct. And yet, people still continue to refer to SOS as if it's some sort of objective fact not to be disputed 🤨.

Wins vs Top 10, 25, 50, 100, 250, 500+ teams should be easy enough to decipher as the season progresses. 

[Sammy Swordsman]

13 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

It needs to be the most important link in every poll. 

Coaches schedule based on the capability of the upcoming team.   A lacking schedule tells you how the coach feels about his team.  

Can't rank those 14-0 teams above other based only on their record.

  In most cases I would promote a 6-4 team with a Top 100 win and a positive Mendoza rating over a 10-0 team with no Top 100 wins and a negative Mendoza rating.

[GardenStateBaller]

22 minutes ago, Sammy Swordsman said:

Coaches schedule based on the capability of the upcoming team.   A lacking schedule tells you how the coach feels about his team.  

Can't rank those 14-0 teams above other based only on their record.

  In most cases I would promote a 6-4 team with a Top 100 win and a positive Mendoza rating over a 10-0 team with no Top 100 wins and a negative Mendoza rating.

Schedules are made 1-2 years in advance. So scheduling on capabilities is not as easy as you think.

Plus, what about elite teams from one-team states like NV and PA?