Columbiafan Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Spring games mean zero. A coach for a 10-0 team said he lost in the spring to a 0-10 team. It’s like preseason NFL Means more than LAST SEASONS results 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 Surprise double Tuesday, here's the northeast Florida tiers as well Northeast Florida Tier 1 Trinity Christian Bolles Tier 2 Mainland St Augustine Nease Ed White Tier 3 Bartram Trail Fleming Island Sandalwood Middleburg University Christian Creekside Deland Tier 4 Yulee Ribault Terry Parker Flagler Palm Coast Oakleaf Raines Fletcher Clay Tier 5 Atlantic Coast Terry Parker Riverside Andrew Jackson Englewood Ponte Vedra Hilliard West Nassau Menendez Keystone Heights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 You are fucking fired!!!!!!!!! Ed White over Bartram Trail??? Robert E Lee in tier 5??? now you are just doing it to piss me off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8-3 Raines in tier 4 after curb stomping Columbia by 3 touchdowns but Sandalwood is tier 3 for going 4-6 and losing to Raines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: You are fucking fired!!!!!!!!! Ed White over Bartram Trail??? Robert E Lee in tier 5??? now you are just doing it to piss me off Have you not paid attention Riverside has been losing players left and right and their coach left, they are DONE Ed White been taking all their talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: 8-3 Raines in tier 4 after curb stomping Columbia by 3 touchdowns but Sandalwood is tier 3 for going 4-6 and losing to Raines? Raines has been losing players to Ribault while Sandalwood has been getting transfers in Off-season transfer portal will hold miles more weight than last seasons results, just because most are too lazy to keep up doesn't mean I'm gonna ignore it and be ignorant of the teams heading into the season And everyone I've seen talking about Raines in the Jacksonville area have said they will be down this year Edited July 5, 2022 by Columbiafan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 TRANSFERS! TRANSFERS! TRANSFERS! How can you know this stuff and still be surprised when you see teams ranked differently as a result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILKINSON Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Columbiafan said: Past season results hold very little if any weight in my rankings because teams change from year to year If only others thought like this ahem, GSB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes early but here's the tiers for Central Florida Central Florida Tier 1 Lakeland Tampa Jesuit Cocoa Tier 2 Venice Osceola Sanford Seminole Orlando Jones Treasure Coast Apopka West Orange Edgewater Tampa Bay Tech Tier 3 Lake Mary Rockledge Lakewood Sarasota Riverview Tier 4 Berkeley Prep Merritt Island Vero Beach Lakeland Christian Clearwater Central Catholic Tampa Gaither Tier 5 Charlotte Armwood Palmetto Lake Gibson Plant City Wharton Lake Wales Bartow Sarasota Clearwater Nature Coast Tech South Sumter Melbourne Port Charlotte Tampa Catholic Tier 6 Mitchell Auburndale Sebring Palm Bay Heritage John Carroll Wekiva Pinellas Park Braden River Manatee Plant Eau Gallie Bishop Moore Viera Edited July 6, 2022 by Columbiafan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 These rankings for Central Florida must be pretty damn accurate otherwise @Nolebull813would have already released his slightly altered one 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtime Observer Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Columbiafan said: These rankings for Central Florida must be pretty damn accurate otherwise @Nolebull813would have already released his slightly altered one 😂😂 Armwood seems low, being below the likes of Lakeland Christian, Merrit Island, CCC etc. Maybe they will really be that down, but it's hard for me to understand starting them below those teams before any games have been played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, Longtime Observer said: Armwood seems low, being below the likes of Lakeland Christian, Merrit Island, CCC etc. Maybe they will really be that down, but it's hard for me to understand starting them below those teams before any games have been played. Based on everyone I've talked to and looking at their roster on 24/7 sports armwood isn't nearly as talented as they were 3 or 4 years ago much less the early to mid 2010s armwood I actually bumped them to a bubble top 50 team only after talking to someone in the Tampa media who said they may be improved but I will need to see it to believe it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 Unless armwood has quietly gotten like 10 transfers under the radar I don't see them as higher than a bubble top 50 team currently and Central Florida once I started really looking at these teams are very deep Central Florida in terms of depth isn't as far behind SFL as people think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtime Observer Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Columbiafan said: Based on everyone I've talked to and looking at their roster on 24/7 sports armwood isn't nearly as talented as they were 3 or 4 years ago much less the early to mid 2010s armwood I actually bumped them to a bubble top 50 team only after talking to someone in the Tampa media who said they may be improved but I will need to see it to believe it The 247 lists are not all the way reliable. I've caught them in many errors just with Lakeland alone. That's even during and after seasons are complete, not to mention based on early July knowledge. Guys who graduated or transferred the year prior being listed, and missing other guys. Just this coming season alone they are missing a 3* LB (RJ Kelly) and have a backup DB listed as a QB (MIke Singleton). If they can make that many errors on a relatively high profile program in a power state, they can be counted on to get much more wrong. Which is understandable, all things considered. But, point is, it's not a great idea to base rankings off 247 player lists. Nor would it be a great idea even if the lists were perfectly accurate. There are many different reasons as to why a player may get some stars or not get stars next to his name. And, the quality of a player that he is *RIGHT NOW* as he is playing for the HS team being ranked is often not particularly high on that list of reasons. Some players have some physical attributes that mean they are *projected* to be monsters, but are actually kind of average as 16/17 year-old players. Others may not have much room for future growth/development, or may play a role for the HS team that is not valued at the higher levels of football, so they have no stars, but are actually awesome at the HS level. Furthermore, we've known for a long time that the quality of a team is not always the sum of its parts. Even if it was actually plausible to accurately evaluate all of the individual players on all of the teams (this is not actually remotely plausible), we couldn't accurately evaluate the teams based on those ratings. I go on this rant because I get the impression that lists like the 247 lists are pretty much all anyone on these boards is going off when they decide how to rate teams. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Longtime Observer said: The 247 lists are not all the way reliable. I've caught them in many errors just with Lakeland alone. That's even during and after seasons are complete, not to mention based on early July knowledge. Guys who graduated or transferred the year prior being listed, and missing other guys. Just this coming season alone they are missing a 3* LB (RJ Kelly) and have a backup DB listed as a QB (MIke Singleton). If they can make that many errors on a relatively high profile program in a power state, they can be counted on to get much more wrong. Which is understandable, all things considered. But, point is, it's not a great idea to base rankings off 247 player lists. Nor would it be a great idea even if the lists were perfectly accurate. There are many different reasons as to why a player may get some stars or not get stars next to his name. And, the quality of a player that he is *RIGHT NOW* as he is playing for the HS team being ranked is often not particularly high on that list of reasons. Some players have some physical attributes that mean they are *projected* to be monsters, but are actually kind of average as 16/17 year-old players. Others may not have much room for future growth/development, or may play a role for the HS team that is not valued at the higher levels of football, so they have no stars, but are actually awesome at the HS level. Furthermore, we've known for a long time that the quality of a team is not always the sum of its parts. Even if it was actually plausible to accurately evaluate all of the individual players on all of the teams (this is not actually remotely plausible), we couldn't accurately evaluate the teams based on those ratings. I go on this rant because I get the impression that lists like the 247 lists are pretty much all anyone on these boards is going off when they decide how to rate teams. 😁 It's not all I go off of but it's a useful tool especially when looking up teams in areas where I don't have an active source to reach out to But your saying I'm supposed to ignore a teams drop in talent and rank armwood because of what they did in 2011? Should I rank DFB like it's 2015 even with all they lost because "they usually win a lot" It's not that simple and I would rather under rank a team and correct it by mid season than rank a team off the past and them start 1-4 because then it looks like a college football poll where average teams are thrust into the top 10 and top 25 based on a name and they proceed to be a mid level school by week 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtime Observer Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Columbiafan said: Unless armwood has quietly gotten like 10 transfers under the radar I don't see them as higher than a bubble top 50 team currently and Central Florida once I started really looking at these teams are very deep Central Florida in terms of depth isn't as far behind SFL as people think Armwood has tended to end up with a lot of talent year after year, transfers or not. Each of the last twenty-seven (27) Armwood teams have had players and been fairly strong teams. Odds are fairly good they've got a lot of underclassmen or previously ineligible players none of us have heard of but end up being dawgs. Public schools like Armwood relatively frequently have kids who are academically ineligible one year, but are actually monsters if/when they get their grades together. Sight unseen, I'd never put Lakeland Christian ahead of Armwood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 South Florida Tier 1 St Thomas Aquinas Chaminade Madonna Miami Central Tier 2 Cardinal Gibbons Miami Northwestern American Heritage Plantation Gulliver Prep Tier 3 Homestead Dillard Miami Columbus Naples Miami Palmetto Miami Booker T Washington Western Palm Beach Central Tier 4 Miami Edison Benjamin Glades Central Dade Christian South Fort Myers Monarch Stranahan Fort Myers Cardinal Newman North Fort Myers Monsignor Pace Plantation Tier 5 Palm Beach Gardens Atlantic Delray Beach Miramar Lehigh Calvary Christian Bishop Verot Tier 6 Mater Academy Doral Academy St John Neumann Avant Garde Somerset Academy Santaluces Pahokee Palm Beach Lakes Jupiter North Miami Beach Carol City South Dade Dwyer Kings Academy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share Posted July 12, 2022 Hey nolebullshit @Nolebull813 how an extra 4* WR at Columbia sound to their talent heading into 2022 season since a 3* QB isn't a big enough deal to you 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 8 hours ago, Columbiafan said: Hey nolebullshit @Nolebull813 how an extra 4* WR at Columbia sound to their talent heading into 2022 season since a 3* QB isn't a big enough deal to you 🤣 Sounds like the FHSAA needs to investigate this recruited up all star team coming out of Columbia County Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share Posted July 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: Sounds like the FHSAA needs to investigate this recruited up all star team coming out of Columbia County Like the FHSAA could do anything, Riverside was a all star Duval team last year and could only split with Columbia!!!! We have as many transfers as Williston has, people just upset because now their argument that they could predict 3S before the season is being thrown for a tailspin 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share Posted July 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: Sounds like the FHSAA needs to investigate this recruited up all star team coming out of Columbia County Besides nobody gives a damn about us having to go through cheating schools every year just to be told we suck because we can't beat cheating opponents We ain't cheating but I certainly am not gonna say nothing about getting a few good kids coming in when we have done right for our entire history and have been screwed over time and time again, idc about what people think of our transfers or Columbia being suburban, all I want is to see Columbia at the top like we have deserved and waited our time, screw anyone who wants to diminish it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Columbiafan said: Like the FHSAA could do anything, Riverside was a all star Duval team last year and could only split with Columbia!!!! We have as many transfers as Williston has, people just upset because now their argument that they could predict 3S before the season is being thrown for a tailspin 😂 I love that the use of the xfer portal is moving north in FL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share Posted July 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: I love that the use of the xfer portal is moving north in FL. It's always been there my man Central and North Florida have been getting transfers but it normally goes unreported by the media I've come across more in the last two years in the north Florida area just by following some players on social media and they end up liking or retweeting when someone transfers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: It's always been there my man Central and North Florida have been getting transfers but it normally goes unreported by the media I've come across more in the last two years in the north Florida area just by following some players on social media and they end up liking or retweeting when someone transfers You shoukld start a Twitter account like @TheCribSouthFLA to report these northern FL xfers. Call yourself @TheCribNorthFLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share Posted July 12, 2022 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: You shoukld start a Twitter account like @TheCribSouthFLA to report these northern FL xfers. Call yourself @TheCribNorthFLA One I think that would be copyright infringement Two if I get my current project off the ground in a few weeks my days involved with football may be numbered And three while I come across some transfers I don't think it's enough to dedicate an entire account to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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